From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 217AF21F4EB for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oiax193 with SMTP id x193so11387954oia.2 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PU5bJj61swGTMlruWVAWrUat3BVV4OPKhDlaM8fJ0Ag=; b=CZit2LHDsQkhxm+xOoo7KAHXi2mtul+DN7Uko1LPt6UsJGkWyXCUXP8p7YxCkHc/H3 7OjbGERpDbfAtDYMEEARTlaH6X78cC+GcB90nHiCJxJPUb54+3u2rsnh5luvimWUBqCA U2up0q3CopVkN20ixlOEacUEl3sw6683mhndgpSgaGY5vxTKLfil4WxtM7I4uE5ZBW3d JbonaP/h7aHrFwiVyBG2R9WeR7aVgSgSdX9Sosj6ayTaVujr2n+fgMf55p+phbdqVgqD V8GiPuo6E6iRhjjXjPpO0f689zDkVoqHyzH0xZIWIjoGzth7QMUGntJ0vntDH4L4UNFM Goeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.230.67 with SMTP id sw3mr26056785obc.0.1434406373456; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.105.129 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Mikael Abrahamsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat Subject: [Bloat] on trying to get the small jobs done sooner and better X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:13:23 -0000 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson w= rote: > Right now the meandering course is to just contribute incremental > improvements back to the linux and openwrt mainlines, continue > standardization efforts and develop better tests, towards a better > network end goal... > > ...with the far more broadly scoped make-wifi-fast project concept now > making it's rounds through various possible funding agencies. > > Limited, but broad goals on what budget I have let me sleep better: > > Example: I hope that we get cake building soon for all of openwrt and > then having y'all test it on this platform, and all the others. Being > able to profile it would be nice too. I am pretty sure we can take > better advantage of multicore. Jonathon is funded for cake for a while > longer. My work to get it into openwrt, and the testing I've done, is > not. > > It would be nice to find someone to sink a week into adding BQL to the > mvneta driver, and profiling it. > > I would like to see BQL behave better on hardware multiqueue. > > I'd like someone to poke deeply into the wifi chipset this box uses to > see if we can apply ideas from make-wifi-fast to it. While I am dubious about the effectiveness of bug bounties[1] on such diffuse problems, perhaps using some simple means (webservice) of trying to connect producers with consumers for small jobs like these three above would be fruitful? Mechanical turk doesn't quite work for this. Is there a webservice for intelligent turks? Or some other corporate-connected means of accumulating bounties of sufficient size for sufficient results? I would love to know if the wifi on this chipset can be made to do make-wifi-fast. Nearest time I can think of for me to be able to do that investigation would be about 2 months from now. I could try and sink the time between now and then to write up the core criteria by which a new wifi chipset could be evaluated for suitability. I would certainly like to find a nice, generic, popular target for future first-tier prototyping work. [1] https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=3D90942.0 > It would be great to have source access to the blobs. Or to just go and design new hardware along the lines of the OCP project which I am becoming a great fan of. Fixing other people's hardware has no direct business model. Been making progress with onenetswitch of late... > I am always glad we have such a diverse range of people here, > scratching the beat-the-bufferbloat itch, and making a difference > wherever they can, with what abilities and spare time they have. > > I would like to see what happened for OCP happen for embedded edge > devices, also. > > http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-open-compute-project-history-2015= -6 > > From the bottom, looking up, that seems hard. > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone? https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast