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Hey, guys, chill.

I'm sorry if my first comment at the paper's dataset sounded overly
sarcastic. I was equally sincere in calling it a "good paper", as the
analysis of the dataset seemed largely sound at first glance... but I
have to think about it for a while a while longer, and hopefully
suggest additional/further lines of research.

I'm glad the Q/A session is taking place here, but I'm terribly behind
on my email in general....

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com> w=
rote:
> The tone of the paper is a bit of "if academics don't analyze it to death
> it must not exist". The facts are interesting, but the interpretation ign=
ores
> the human element. If human's perceive delay "Daddy the Internet is slow"=
, then
> they will change their behavior to avoid the problem: "it hurts when I do=
wnload,
> so I will do it later".
>
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