From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AD153B260 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id p16so128231949qta.0 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:07:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EVgV0iS0WR+NvsGZFZAQKhx/83rUDqPmliuMuBVwjAs=; b=novvzEgHTOdy5ETnhLUEPoAOyF55u9sM6i/3rQq7bH22pZdWwJQkBm7XlCnUoaUcfr X9GwVjvoOmOuNon1XD+xjcquUw+Bhb5+anbSqrUXSyOvdgJS/XxCem4WFLhJKYnBWikg fk2XJkpQYMUkVZ+qVU6g2KFyKmO85r4IZCenCPU26UG/PkSCOpBjM0P6TEaep5Zk8lcs nRKDZvLF1OV8X7CxzDOv9BsXkJCMdQnYiaV8dKD7o7M+JG2YMTV1lKdPyYpNTAyFYuGN 7ag//crWlaoE6zgV9jrHlI+0npTyv0oRtO1/wC5xSKbeM9tR/3l+XgO0JIufVmz2vmK+ kt8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EVgV0iS0WR+NvsGZFZAQKhx/83rUDqPmliuMuBVwjAs=; b=NNaJ8dfzXdN1UVFxibrT8slfU2f0zFJ0ildD25DfOyy2tq68EtgzvVxPI88h2avLqB BWNtQGNPqpqCcjkRN5kHLPBhlM1lsyuPDE2vC3ctB4Tw2bDPm1bCxDC8HJBioiH7lduw hAuxagoG4x+riPLJRpojjV8iiB8VRimLnzFs5zgc8/xxaYm5RvzNruW7cJ3Jy6WjEg/6 MFv6F2fpVOEjB+kbyKKH5JtiNxxjaEvWLlImED3pbKHQY4IRj/JE5jhXFvo5rckCogok cHwGI+FnHsCS9f/9qg17jVPIbyasV8djBl417ogIoaDS+wHQWrbQ2It1iV67gSSystRY 9mkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03YPpB/PcjNrpJaNUk7vSbZe198OLIZEv4S3z00wSQIZsWFNt4F+HD6HhsRDCP5OJhNgd6sMK2QkYJgrg== X-Received: by 10.200.57.134 with SMTP id v6mr19345376qte.36.1480352858681; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.137.198 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20161128085856.23ddfd70@samsung9.wavecable.com> References: <548F6875-8670-4784-8A4D-9D4E6F0F20BD@gmail.com> <65cde0ee-4cc8-22c8-5274-a4eafe9cf338@pollere.com> <229474f1-841f-60f9-0c7a-e613adac12fc@mti-systems.com> <20161128085856.23ddfd70@samsung9.wavecable.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:07:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: Stephen Hemminger Cc: Wesley Eddy , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:07:39 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > My experience has been that the media and developer attention span is sho= rt > lived, and maybe that is part of the problem. Well, in portions of the market, the only way to get attention is to buy it, with press releases. I certainly plan a press release for whenever the wifi airtime fairness paper is published, and perhaps doing one sooner than that is warranted. I hope that wifi devices now being sold from some of the newer players all incorporate it and ship better products in 2017. >Gaming is a niche market, and therefore is easily ignored; plus the classi= c gaming market is dying and I am not sure anyone is really investing in it= . But a big one, and it doesn't matter if you use a dedicated device or not to game with. I think doing a "fixing your lag" talk at an E3 and trying to get more cloudy gaming companies (as well as VR ones) behind fixing the Internet would be a good thing to try. > The current hot topic use case seems to be machine learning and voice int= eraction. I wonder if we could build a use case something related to that? = "Ok Google, my house is on fire!!" -- "Sorry can not call fire department, = network is congested". Well, I still like videoconferencing as a key thing we're enabling. There's been much progress there - I just learned that jitsy now has the "google congestion control" algorithm in it. The discussion was here: https://www.vuc.me/ And in other news, on needing regular, reliable software updates - this just in. 41 million routers have this port exposed. https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/Port+7547+SOAP+Remote+Code+Execution+Atta= ck+Against+DSL+Modems/21759 thought this fall's DDOSes were bad? > > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org