From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x12d.google.com (mail-il1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85B5F3B29E for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 21:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-il1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id q9so7239054ilo.1 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:17:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eE37EkzbEjVyXN1lX9On9kTsCGBGVYz0YLL1qtF65Qc=; b=SXjF6pJuOUfsLbVH5i1KcNFTs13A6rmLLgkOsDuAaOiscOOTW+l32HQDUUDbyD0gfB L49s9GvEBjiE9A7gMRQi7rklrroXejTcYH4TZWMRzpWwDRwPJI+eTrN17F9Ubvkl1Icm VmpZawXjHMCCpO9ryhxzDgKUutnZxAOWFflK3qyWSIEntbhCNJvYN2lYN3i8VlDJ7kXW EK7VQkSGocHAiJLRs4H6wmHEbyV1QYOY0lA8a3HumlXRzFy8+9GuZx4dqi8w5GLFdt8+ x8z6vs5XWnlMnbMLWOqbjBLViolKLUTHV52sUmwAFiF9fm2VyC3QxHkcW7m1BeYtljDG iBKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eE37EkzbEjVyXN1lX9On9kTsCGBGVYz0YLL1qtF65Qc=; b=ukk8J5DPHWHbvG/9MhMltOMmtoOzsU74Ld67PkxCmrNqLNqjNSubEHXpBbe7F6W25T eJ5z53zsuxfjiQjB+BXZZAfkl43RPz0Jl/4SCdjn8ozkyglQJPca6AJbW3CEEtEpUHuX EOfeuod2lgisPhd41uUOuNvdhabFMcxbITYVyQ1urkSTvYt+Z9OrlJzsNtZWiiHP4Jer 5BEpYsBxF774WA65YFW9Jdv6IhA20g94eG4HaqckgvNBmfZJXKv8MirX2d0fXqHB0muR k26Hs4yjwowmdd/YuJQ+xqWk616Aj57o3iVXS91Yjh++3EwxHa7xP55ryvTiZi5w9Ulc lGqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530M6T9jtsjy3/gwdktEH45rUsomh+uoCdiJHND9xFxRctieVnFG zC4L9QbvUmBwhnuoJ45jNEWJ25SlQiclwO7MLHA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxZxbqNg/9qmkDyz2hpzGu7nVXPGawtbK2xwxXYeZvvm/ygWxN1G/oV0MVWoP41zeWbwVr2v/xqc07NdsdLHWk= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d44d:: with SMTP id r13mr1544501ilm.0.1611886669977; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:17:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2978.1611869945@localhost> In-Reply-To: <2978.1611869945@localhost> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:17:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Feb 12th: FCC virtual roundtable to gather public input on how to structure the new Emergency Broadband Benefit Program X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 02:17:50 -0000 On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:39 PM Michael Richardson wrote= : > > > Dave Taht wrote: > > It might be useful for some of us to crash this. I've always kind o= f > > thought that having a "router reclamation center" where users could > > drop off old, but reflashable routers, and get theirs reflashed wit= h > > openwrt, might be a useful government program. > > YES. Like a needle exchange. > It makes huge sense because of the pandemic (need for fq_codel), and beca= use > of the national security risk of these old devices. Well, the request for comment lasts a while longer, it was the roundtable that I'd like to at least get a question in on. I would not mind trying to flesh out this idea with a couple co-authors, (hint hint) for submittal to the program. 3.8b for better bandwidth for the underserved ain't scratch, and even a tiny slice of that would go a long way 'round here. But merely raising awareness that there is an internet problem that can be solved within this program with huge benefits, for next to nothing, would make me happy enough. > Ideally, it would take any router at all, and would properly dispose of t= hose > devices which are deemed way too old. (If there were 1000s of some > unsupported model, then maybe someone would start hacking...) T > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh netwo= rks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architec= t [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails= [ > --=20 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729