From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1031.google.com (mail-pj1-x1031.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCC053B29D; Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1031.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-28098ebd5aeso162466a91.0; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 14:47:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699483643; x=1700088443; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=mNkl1/9h6KsJ7Koa3B2fwcliEo5EbOgjmGxAa6E0N/k=; b=mpfwNXC9Lk468QGrninNFUEbAdqdbmt74+H42XWRcZtErVtil/GbSw08xF3yxc8kL2 xEaukMP/B0CPqcoWS6C+l63/mhIr0I2JRl8s3FnV1qM7P/a9ybo6DkhoZjnsN7TE5P52 CX7BIWG4crOo0Ih3MsKXkxxEvMQO02ky9EjCw0WX0q/HaZIOzqi20AqlHHxE2IJ17x3k gzvWkk6TLH/Yg2Nlrvr+5C1wgDe9zhbo2swmBJW8M3k8NY+q//IgcYuOD3XV+Ezt1iO7 g2nCbEtmuW7dTxwnkgSTHrHfjLfL90y7H1Z93WuYiEQAhZTG84VXh0a+szze6jYVbyCQ UGMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699483643; x=1700088443; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mNkl1/9h6KsJ7Koa3B2fwcliEo5EbOgjmGxAa6E0N/k=; b=icZMDZueCufSbVm34tXVJKLMhRQaEiTQlnZfl2eitK/Y59QYvLPg3usjjKxgsuVbsq 7oSoLLh7/A3Htls7U2ZacmI3ScRFdQXhJS3N4BanphSjYWWqQ2hnVM7EPYu8cNtYyXuU v1ugKD9HeUZs/hKeY4Yf+cf7EH5hg/7Ug4rAhBwF+FqjTanKkoonT3iw1hePwRYG1dXt HB2qMRupmDb5bEtrj6vTPVhy+K1vMMWHV8ys4jHVNGES2Rmg1wVeqkQlIZVR2B20OagO 6R60cqd+vQ2MPqVN+Dx9r9K9HisZ1LHA+7n+x9CThKuMOUMWWy+dj7afwQokEN0hmZ1M IzqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw8Nn1RHK301TFJVo82xRJT+cwL522iulPYssqqBZqp8z5jPbSx hsHMtos1t61mdKOXL75qD6jcR8XXQMoDvrhhmnCzTXOc X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF4R/iDm/jWLeke0b7MfL/nhG4s6hWxSBd/I5s8yhTzjR+4+TQLVy0dsvTn+iYmY8PRMaLMKIB5k+dSIbYmNYM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3b92:b0:27d:97e5:f3fa with SMTP id pc18-20020a17090b3b9200b0027d97e5f3famr3037875pjb.29.1699483643395; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 14:47:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: Make-Wifi-fast , bloat , libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] Fwd: 25 years of embedded linux based wifi and wireless routers X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:47:25 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 5:44=E2=80=AFPM Subject: 25 years of embedded linux based wifi and wireless routers To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects heard this time! , Greg Retkowski I have been reflecting on the era we had spent inventing the first embedded Linux wifi routers, back in 1998. https://the-edge.blogspot.com/2010/10/who-invented-embedded-linux-based.htm= l I am building slowly to try to explain why software is not simple and that it is vastly easier to cut down from a well tested base than build up from scratch, which was a key insight we gained from that project. Also, working with a MMU and other memory protections, is fiercely desirable, a lesson I painfully relearned a few years later with a ucLinux based IP PBX... I also need to straighten out the historical record some, as so many have contacted me over the years with their personal stories, and in particular a fellah by the name of Elmer Joandi (based in Europe) was arguably the first to make the concept work, beating us by at least 6 months. Dozens of others hit the mark within weeks of each other. Stuart Chesire has shared his stories privately with me about Apple's AirPort adventures (and creation myths) that I guess he cannot tell before he retires. :( (between us we won the above patent case but for all I know there was more - the court records are sealed) I am happy our teams have fixed at least some of the problems introduced by wifi4 and wifi5[1] and wish they were deploying faster - especially into the cafes that I love to work out of so much - as well as I wish we could tidy up more than a few left over problems from the make-wifi-fast effort... But I hope wifi7 and later are going to be someone else's problem. ... I still remember vividly, sitting on my rooftop, that December, 1998, in the rain, wondering where the wifi technology would go. [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/705884/ -- Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos