From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C9FA3B29D for ; Wed, 31 May 2023 18:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4f3b39cea1eso30866e87.3 for ; Wed, 31 May 2023 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1685572106; x=1688164106; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nBNeqMFgi20VBUjVmTNJRpWuBQwgxlwtye0nrMzva3A=; b=oYzpqZiiz2RWqt9+GZp+s5L0rztIiqYPEFU6WVLGOgXOGm27wZCyglockJ0CaNaBkp +ZiOAg+Z085/If5iv1h0eo0amLz5yE9SfMY9p/KSW0OpWRX58HvLrNva2OVyQU07kWaD e2fq906bisphWEx3y2kQ4IwaatYIpoNEzX2xsfCJXQdmQwT8q96PB0fNAHayhTQ7zmao 5Qr+QW/spvbIiMokfHOy+3mixrTH0PclDG8ySFdfmOQZ5tWkyzjNhPoxXQcl8gsLWwKo fhbvAyLjZ07NmvuxbhUrUwha1JkIoyNlHYn/Ki2s6pjxz9LtrITy6XV2h4t9ntgBKkRF VZPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685572106; x=1688164106; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=nBNeqMFgi20VBUjVmTNJRpWuBQwgxlwtye0nrMzva3A=; b=XH7B09DTK+IqyJVJSlbq0uJKtyBNBw/ClCEENyyMM7mbHN2pg94lcUWtnTc79kDq6t iASBi+uOO76hRpe61Dpvp5LfdXnhk3ChecVzC6yiuwAujKX3G9HfMwo2P3Y1+/ciqdv3 gRLvnVJAj90EpisBwtI4WLcYwUdFMyoC8bvOU7kMbLqvdJDQLMlCEZ7qLa8b2mbbN7V8 dy1rFmdUtF0bpR8hvCGGIcUsNTre8cDeiPOj9/iKvDXrCgYzmCR8zX1HORIZviGT0GnS ItJI546wnvbUy59Cs0wYOa3AcQTsGqvXIV03gXUhun4rXLdH3JgG0Nqxp+3B8Yx6PlNp 3Abg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzCcuiX6zyTas1owZryp9SsI7awzupknESNBWdz9XgLEXoOYIKG ZXsazDYlWqEk0IxTzKvcDVh4Eh2llzZb79zd+TJkInj85uI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4yF8XQG0s+Kz6KGKOzSWLdU7sqyxuFbZExWigU8gsL8Ck0EyopxrC1WpGdq/cMW8vPiJVugbQdt02UCM6DvM4= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5143:0:b0:4f0:1124:8b2a with SMTP id q3-20020ac25143000000b004f011248b2amr181937lfd.46.1685572105929; Wed, 31 May 2023 15:28:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 16:28:14 -0600 Message-ID: To: bloat , debayani.ghosh@thapar.edu, ee11s040@ee.iitm.ac.in, gaurav@ee.iitm.ac.in Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] why do people still study RED? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 22:28:28 -0000 An otherwise good paper on RED vs drop tail here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.10220.pdf Is it because we completely lack any analytical methods for taking a hard look at drop or marking from the head, as codel does, or the effect of the fq in fq_codel? I keep hoping somehow, somewhere, someone would show up with the tools to explain the results I got here: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/juniper/ --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227= 111937/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos