From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A610F3BA8E for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id o125so800880qkf.3 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 12:30:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Or+vxWAHzaK/o8z7n+3ru2IZdBoZXhMy3CjnRfgKsmI=; b=oMGYmOFPvtsglRiODQmyLzVf2T5qiphyGfdwfkIHWXlej9gWxaPjrsPW1HZq5kpj1L ZXFZycbtzLsCIQBt49W1dJHP6T5bsR+MDSwlVOksrddujULEosyfi0E4JOYovHyFGk2v gphRM+gFw8iHGc/r9jQW7JBCFz3yhnMfQpqAcFCDeRKsrmJDmws9cXLgK/omN9UYx50y dQZCtk59urLYUw1meu5k+0EQmc3ZPE083YlM6c/ByUCH/ENWOvR6a/t+aV8rpWKuGLZh hd0orPLrY5zE78CjmeoZsFoFu2JGO3+qNY9TO/uZecIK9ulgCy35fdPKsYtYLwvughjo wPcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Or+vxWAHzaK/o8z7n+3ru2IZdBoZXhMy3CjnRfgKsmI=; b=Qrf1dgY6xwfEgp/ygz3NNyK4IqlpBFV5DnQ1FY8v84ciOa18N94ReLVpa0gflfTqLd 4f/8GZVlwSGAtWAz5c9SCLHyrp9dhf+RaPTBTFoEwYZ0XIj79X0/7POo/yj56GjNENGb LN0uqM9npwej0i4SRDWJWqnFs8CQdwtB2r18FxQTXgKtR5AUrl1itM6F/FaYzLZufTSE aU4s74vlhf5imdMH+5au6PkdN/8F0Wk7eHs4huIGmZId/vuPQPGWgmEJLAcFaejqpnnH lRC3YU0rNPRtnXlO9PfrkjFDe4SbsXjBRw3sl8HNYJrZScCyv7oB7G3m5WHLatKH14IE YhVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuaiEmMelqV1i+/0Z3Zadu4TPZeS3dqW+rJxp3MNtAXDllSWs244 27fYlwNnzbi2zm8dZt2nlLOvsoAISreoFdw59a6jY4XQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3Ib2+G1oR+418UH1+q07mFAcwg8TEwccPGGQpfsMw+tlbs+T/m+ErC3oR3Qaa3ToYqF8GbvUodS/75FETjpEYdc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4f8a:: with SMTP id d132mr899079qkb.17.1549312230090; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 12:30:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <25CA545B-DFAE-485C-A81B-DBAC798B5BF3@jonathanfoulkes.com> <87ef8n74m3.fsf@taht.net> In-Reply-To: <87ef8n74m3.fsf@taht.net> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 12:29:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 20:30:30 -0000 And patreon is reporting "down for maintenance" as I write. While we're doing ironic today, the other big grant we failed to get last year was from the shuttleworth foundation - and that conf call/interview took place during a 50 minute major internet-wide outage ( http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/bufferbloat_on_the_backbone/ ) and I could barely hear or see the other participants (nor they, me). anyway, I'm getting off my duff today to put in at least a grant proposal to nlnet for getting the ns3 cake work done (under jonathan), and another to maybe get babeld-dtls done (a vestige of the cerowrt effort) with comcast... but still I'd kind of hoped that the fq_codel for wifi work would have had every wifi, lte, and ethernet over powerline vendor salivating to add it to their product soonest. I'm really delighted by the penetration sqm and fq_codel and cake now have, sad that we aren't seeing dsl ISPs in particular, mandating cake and terribly disappointed by the early 5G results. Still... in 8 years of operation we made a big difference in the internet and millions of people now benefit in the OSX, IOS, Linux and freebsd worlds from an AQM/FQ perspective and the world as a whole from all the wonderful work done e2e with bql, pacing, bbr, etc. Perhaps, as Matt Mathis said, 3 years ago "The tree is cut, it is falling", we need do no more here. Another irony today is GSOC expects a shiny logo to be part of the application and we've never done that. Wish we'd done t-shirts and coffee mugs at some point, also.