From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x629.google.com (mail-ej1-x629.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::629]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 046FC3CB38 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ej1-x629.google.com with SMTP id m4so54886896ejb.9 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 06:27:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yJMa7fSeLds/NowKnaYHcDOD/ENZvvqypYOzXvACskQ=; b=po9ukZmO6EURx1jpzQjxfHio2QaXBD+U9+Z0unn8ityMyP1RmQkNFgDcgx/qXeQGdC NrNWBQ5E99JdOWHQFf14OPj+IrUv0iQF9yt1D9XU/plAoeP+vNCjFF7dT2KDEUwvCk5d vvVoOSdRocqa2SMVUQy+v3oSjgG/W/qwkQe+7HoqMxDreJpvqpgZQn/jK2mCZuNYZwkt d2PFfapWb2kNrb5e3WNeMmZL9vIKeAKFaOgotFSDjZXgNQsjpR4rdqROgt6nKSVnp41w KJKDWHs1wqv5xcT8fKTlU8qvyGEQ/rIGhSmZMQF1OQcjsYYWrJARV0guUTlpz3XSaA8N Yhyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yJMa7fSeLds/NowKnaYHcDOD/ENZvvqypYOzXvACskQ=; b=ZnlUHX0oegWX+8BN93+XTdp7zOJ07EzM/DIICvsAzv/nxSOdBbiyaEe3ZciNAwrGc+ KVQQPiVKEZmawlThXqZRZZbXaAYS5dCIj+vNmMzYm0YluxYkOHSocFxBxAh3sBCB3XkV /yfHR7FdMG1weOL3fL44BKBEZoRn/g5tgpWBle1uMQdtBkFyL+2Mzk1ish/mEHeA6dV3 QUWu1QI5aFEBsY6qNFAMQFItR8sM3l2Nd//AziSszBYQFC8X61UAaqY/eB7OGjeu6KmS RHfB+FsklI2RXqOBBtdcAJXQ1lRbwUXLG/dRtC7c4CUtZxWmRS38u5EHDRWcSWiJbbQn tz0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531hd1cCUZCodQWqhC8cYA7Y8mJrbN29QMdIn9ujA8+Cgx9OuDl6 itQDvrmqiNLiSDne+h6a93BGkdhA6dXpWDQb2otP/n5VhEs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzSlce9ltqHj3SH9dtYvPR/dNZ1I9/73JvvlRyZZEKws0bxQn2ZBI867yi+MHiVic+3zuql1VCfjidweFtdrIc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:2da3:: with SMTP id gt35mr13090124ejc.262.1643725651592; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 06:27:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 06:27:19 -0800 Message-ID: To: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] making networks virtual X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 14:27:33 -0000 One of the analogies that went by in this interview with nick mckeown was "programmable cables" and the IPU concept. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dxfk6gZORmV0 I'm still kind of in shell shock about finding openwrt "chaos calmer" deeply embedded in some gpon SFPs, but in those cases it's control plane only, not something as advanced as data plane. I wish I had a clearer picture of the modern data center, and knew where the edge was going to go. --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC