From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x22e.google.com (mail-qk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D099B3CB35 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id t79-v6so4642797qke.4 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:51:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NhhCO53duWMdiBooHOzxIuDaOLa7Pc6XsDGuTRBPncg=; b=O6LA95xl2A4+hyR1XliPrzhRz249qEhP9U2rO6SwJEy+CmbdBj6EP03ll2LxKOPHFb TeZ47twyItBA0uOTPiTZ9ve42aofO4SiT9OPY7mXQ9t7K4f/dXwR0Nzb55hJk0Nruasi NqSR5eeToi26ZuQFf4LIBSwFz19CIA+SP+8rmLdNWZhwhvl/rJ3nykHU6keCCw80Rmwr AmWn15V/AozhmwtBu2KZHVbfrjfm5OYLvdm7aIGLXbRoihI4j7NpwWOJf5/n997Ggqwg 0Oh32ieDBPSVVaUlW8Wpf9YSFMDRcGF3tL8zcA1bKLDvyKPuFhE0s4YNElh6V5Qqwu7i f7hA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NhhCO53duWMdiBooHOzxIuDaOLa7Pc6XsDGuTRBPncg=; b=dp9s/aeG9U6dZMPTJov0EbR7CGq2Qm49qKxqFOrVppMY9CpwHAw2Rm7YcPO5j2SBWz NC15Lt5Dmj7Lp3VihAeJ5FeekPnbJvdO6X7qAHTTgpXYYoSRi68PGP/UWODuIPEaQEOF u0zrf61WOWofKutlhJUy4lMEkFOei6nNfk8XhYaQjDHB6ejSCd6jOQ5gi8OjboSghN1n gA8oz4kb8CCrJnOarqO8SpuWxKKOJ3+1/4+UnzRQx8E0hEWtU7F3b7LAnGn/F3g2WWrc okNAwemTDvRo+C6zGC9oE1Y8MHGl2/vWGz/qsalQZ1OcpefLqNhCqrcYDc3QVB9nj31E RMvw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEiiLaUgPttcp0W0eMgLU6frybLohDIYj9Rqa3+Ihu6aR+rJYH9 9bI1w1C2iTzmW0dl0XRHC9KSxvlpr3mEWrIwkwU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpc64ePVxV9qQWMS3NRxQiZpwWENwU4wlqyHoUvbwizsJh6Q7C4piLihIwf4sA4WNo1VzKkggDuv2NQJDoq9ZYY= X-Received: by 2002:a37:c40d:: with SMTP id d13-v6mr9724358qki.190.1532019119444; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:51:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87va9b18gn.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <87va9b18gn.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Is bufferbloat a privacy issue? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 16:51:59 -0000 hahaha. Aside from their last slide not recommending fq, that was an enjoyable read. fq in this case (but I would deprioritize ping responses slightly in the general case) makes the actual observed load even more invisible. I think traceroute would have been a better tool for this study. and smokeping remains a very useful tool for those that can deploy it. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:44 AM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > > This was presented at today's maprg session at the IETF: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-maprg-is-bu= fferbloat-a-privacy-issue-brian-trammell-00 > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619