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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: Rosen Penev <rosenp@gmail.com>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] beating the drum for BQL
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 01:06:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw7d6HYXStLAQBn+cwqng0tsNxWCbi42AAmbzEk4smWkPg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1808240858210.23215@uplift.swm.pp.se>

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 12:00 AM Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> > On the marvell front... yes, they tend to produce hardware that runs too
> > hot. I too rather like the chipset, and it's become my default hw for
> > most things in the midrange.
>
> I checked my WRT1200AC and it idles at 8W. My similar Broadcom box idles
> at 10W, but that one has a lot more on the motherboard plus 4x4 wifi that
> tends to run very hot. I intend to try them under load though and see how
> much power usage changes.

My ar71xx/ath9 hw - like nanostations - was below 2w. wndr3800 don't
remember, I think the the ethernet switch added quite a bit. But 8Ws?
not even close to that. A modern LED lightbulb eats that and sheds
quite a lot of light.

Random curiosity: what do various SFP+ interfaces (notably gpon) eat?
has anyone got a gpon interface for the omnia yet? I *hate* the need
for ONTs.



>
> > Lastly... there are still billions of slower ISP links left in the
> > world to fix, with hardware that now costs well under
> > 40 bucks. The edgerouter X is 50 bucks (sans wifi) and good to
> > ~180mbps for inbound shaping presently. Can we get those edge
> > connections fixed???
>
> There are indeed these kinds of slower devices, but it's also that they
> tend to be the kind of device that last saw development a few years ago
> and only reason it's still being new installed is because it's cheap.

with better software on by default. I fully expect my wndr3800s to see
service for another 10 years. The failure rate is amazingly low.

>
> In most of the world, customers do not rent the CPE so there is no cash
> flow to the ISP to fix anything. So they tend to sit there until they
> break.

There are two different debloating tactics to take then... but it's
late I gotta sleep.
>
> --
> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se



-- 

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-24  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-23  0:49 [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2018-08-23  5:47 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-23 13:06   ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " Sebastian Moeller
2018-08-23 13:57     ` Jan Ceuleers
2018-08-23 14:22       ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-08-23 15:32         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-23 17:14           ` Rosen Penev
2018-08-23 17:50             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-23 18:21               ` Dave Taht
2018-08-23 20:15                 ` Dave Taht
2018-08-24  7:00                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-24  8:06                     ` Dave Taht [this message]
2018-08-24 11:22                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-24 11:46                       ` Jan Ceuleers
2018-08-24 13:43                         ` Jan Ceuleers
2018-08-24 13:44                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-24 13:56                             ` Jan Ceuleers
2018-08-24 13:36                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-24  7:05                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-24 11:24                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-23 21:01                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-24 14:44                   ` Dave Taht
2018-08-24 17:58                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-23 23:35           ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-08-24  1:08             ` David Collier-Brown
2018-08-24  6:16             ` Jan Ceuleers
2018-08-24 11:27           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-24 12:46             ` Pedro Tumusok
2018-08-24 13:09             ` Michael Richardson
2018-08-24 13:37             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-24 13:44               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-26  4:29           ` [Bloat] Marvell 385 Dave Taht
2018-08-26  4:32             ` Jonathan Morton
2018-08-26 16:28             ` Rosen Penev
2018-08-26 18:44             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-26 20:53               ` Dave Taht
2018-08-26 20:58               ` Rosen Penev
2018-08-26 21:08                 ` Dave Taht
2018-08-27  0:55                   ` Rosen Penev
2018-08-27  1:21                     ` Dave Taht
2018-08-27  1:33                       ` Rosen Penev
2018-08-27  1:45                         ` Dave Taht
2018-08-27  1:53                           ` Rosen Penev
2018-08-27 11:33                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-23  8:26 ` [Bloat] beating the drum for BQL Pete Heist
2018-08-23 10:51   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-08-23 11:38     ` Pete Heist
2018-08-24 17:13   ` Pete Heist
2018-08-24 17:30     ` Dave Taht
2018-08-24 18:43       ` Dave Taht

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