From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x244.google.com (mail-qt0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EFCA3B29E for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2018 04:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x244.google.com with SMTP id o15-v6so9243899qtk.6 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2018 01:06:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DYrUOGpjqCAuxiI9zRhlSb8VXMnjldlPvfYDgnBy54Q=; b=q68fRSxwyAswlBJ4jdnK4Y3dwvEd7L0vwhbyWD+p72pFvWtCzxrKmAhHJng6PTKtdj YaSvfGpvC/uF9Rf/TIHK9xSMgJ4ylMNUhPQpOVe3dvLFvGrPg2/PcWgko02T+hu+xsbK kjf/hwbJNwKgsJ3bWiMIlOkE68HB+n+kDoMe5RJVabck+APZfjt7I0CVJLPtbAfIFI2b gHZdUan2nQhYF2D+afz46RcpWWJ34kJfI8gY3qddkUOEqXAThwMWSPI0+ehXLebLxNyV caeTr2guBwTtoVa6flN+twqS62XoaIQD28QGl28LA0cfc9EC+Y8WcmgSM0x/aVYBWAMM Vj7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DYrUOGpjqCAuxiI9zRhlSb8VXMnjldlPvfYDgnBy54Q=; b=X5wbvmi4blM2o8y5pHxeZcR25ZnkZzEfoegz339gWOoDQ8gfB9aIm3Nm42lw7OeNzs WxQZ7wwfeTWn4hNgeTRQEfwnl+wQHfeNWNjw5HeYTtnzdXb97WR/jZmUhrOLejCDL/of e49qYm0UVsYZakWuyjI4daD9D91rYuXKDEWDlO5trFjYxF5bF8eX4Zfz+I138WwNW8kV sgR2xWJxr7IXkuQfxrmghZcySwt7KiCxubHP0Pg7/+M0SVQhYju2lQTR4f3TZ+N5vqg0 DcvUiTQGhprcGE9SOK6zpFwFlZ6nDeRtt6Rm0CrJukERPo2lAmE787XNgv29Pk3FB8ur R3bg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51De4YnTQltOvOa2Sx1bKItIS3O4Czm6AiD2Fkbq4Pe0F86kx2C1 FZuAE7ABMrItqPkIrhJVqwO4akPYvM8QmWxTei0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbC2nRHMVgRie4TXvdopB1ToZholNgro7N3iLMQSxGp+uwsULYZB9FZBoB11Ta61s9Sdaz8/hr9J0KZXff5VGk= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:c06:: with SMTP id k6-v6mr551604qti.135.1535097967968; Fri, 24 Aug 2018 01:06:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66e2374b-f998-b132-410e-46c9089bb06b@gmail.com> <360212B1-8411-4ED0-877A-92E59070F518@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 01:06:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: Rosen Penev , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] beating the drum for BQL X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:06:08 -0000 On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 12:00 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrot= e: > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Dave Taht wrote: > > > On the marvell front... yes, they tend to produce hardware that runs to= o > > hot. I too rather like the chipset, and it's become my default hw for > > most things in the midrange. > > I checked my WRT1200AC and it idles at 8W. My similar Broadcom box idles > at 10W, but that one has a lot more on the motherboard plus 4x4 wifi that > tends to run very hot. I intend to try them under load though and see how > much power usage changes. My ar71xx/ath9 hw - like nanostations - was below 2w. wndr3800 don't remember, I think the the ethernet switch added quite a bit. But 8Ws? not even close to that. A modern LED lightbulb eats that and sheds quite a lot of light. Random curiosity: what do various SFP+ interfaces (notably gpon) eat? has anyone got a gpon interface for the omnia yet? I *hate* the need for ONTs. > > > Lastly... there are still billions of slower ISP links left in the > > world to fix, with hardware that now costs well under > > 40 bucks. The edgerouter X is 50 bucks (sans wifi) and good to > > ~180mbps for inbound shaping presently. Can we get those edge > > connections fixed??? > > There are indeed these kinds of slower devices, but it's also that they > tend to be the kind of device that last saw development a few years ago > and only reason it's still being new installed is because it's cheap. with better software on by default. I fully expect my wndr3800s to see service for another 10 years. The failure rate is amazingly low. > > In most of the world, customers do not rent the CPE so there is no cash > flow to the ISP to fix anything. So they tend to sit there until they > break. There are two different debloating tactics to take then... but it's late I gotta sleep. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619