From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3748121F204 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oiko83 with SMTP id o83so39341394oik.1 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1V/k7hw+8V4AWtU9lD8JEYqy/ghJrshInioUHQG558A=; b=UPefvfGJmCEnjDh8JoN5Yf7dGotvTbeDLT37W5C+dWOUx/Uc2kkKsIO0Evu8Bbw9sx gud+2VMkFxkJbWAW4+Wuf1uWXWbJfNapZ9hjjB5JRi3KA34Sqr6+7nn6w39xxA2UVANi ZWq5oq6brz14YObPIflBK36EcF/SwxRyWiv8KesHv6RsGDIweCtmO+CDwZehpaBa813h OgtKJb/ySDAzjbVTOjzD0xalLQChyBYH7J0q+EbYS7LS5QtoTRGy2iLcuEK1JEjlwjUy Vs76X8MBhzlLQBfCppwWnkzpOfBtcTK2inaL9m1lhKnylj1PvdcpPNsy7wx6g4ix2i+2 txIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.60.70 with SMTP id f6mr1987224oer.8.1430369746966; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.71.139 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87618e6gkm.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: jb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] extremely good dslreports result for bufferbloat on free.fr X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 04:56:16 -0000 About to go try disabling the shaper here... But I might argue for getting best results you should add buttons for fiber cable dsl wifi wifi wifi Because wifi itself is so jittery, and it would be good to distinguish ethernet results from wifi ones in your db. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > A: (fq_codel no ecn) (http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/393466 > > A+ (fq_codel + ecn was enabled) http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39330= 0 > > A: (fq_codel) http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/393241 > > A: (fq_codel) http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/391178 > > D: (fq_codel on the link but over wifi) > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/391178 > > Lemme go check native comcast and pie.... > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:33 PM, jb wrote: >> yes it did get no rating, I don't generate ratings unless everything loo= ks >> "right", >> meaning a decent number of down idle and up pings. >> >> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/377563 >> >> There are only 6 latency samples during download, even though the downlo= ad >> phase started at the 12 second mark and continued until the 23 second ma= rk, >> (meaning 11 seconds). >> >> The latency pings that happened during the download got held up to the >> extent >> that they came in and were counted as "idle" ones. I'll have to ponder o= n >> this, >> I think my pings need to be labelled by origin (what we were doing when = they >> were sent) not classified as they return. >> >> if it did get a rating it would be an "D" or "F".. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>> Heh. Anything above a 250ms gets a F from me. But I strongly approve >>> of simplification to a set of grades. >>> >>> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/378980 F, for sure. >>> >>> Secondly, we tend to regard bufferbloat as one word not two. >>> >>> This result got no rating. http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/377563 >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, jb wrote: >>> > I've added the discussed "bloat rating". >>> > >>> > It takes the idle period before download uses the lowest latency as a >>> > baseline. >>> > then it takes the median download and median of upload+trailing idle >>> > time, >>> > and >>> > subtracts to get the latency increase, then converts to a grade. >>> > >>> > Based on a very few results I've looked at the Grade seems reasonable= . >>> > I've >>> > added >>> > a link below the grade for the WTF is this moment a lot of people wil= l >>> > have, >>> > which >>> > takes them to a short FAQ entry, and then a link to bufferbloat.net .= . >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Dave Taht wrot= e: >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Free.fr (Proxad) is certainly much better than other ISPs -- they'= ve >>> >> > been >>> >> > the first to give sort-of-native (6rd) IPv6 to the masses. Howeve= r, >>> >> > there's one thing that annoys me -- they have two distinct CPEs, t= he >>> >> > classic FreeBox (which I have) and the FreeBox Revolution (which i= s >>> >> > slightly less cheap, and takes more physical space -- a big deal i= f >>> >> > you >>> >> > live in Paris). The classic FreeBox needs some love from the >>> >> > firmware >>> >> > developers, and I'd be curious to know whether your results apply >>> >> > equally >>> >> > to both boxen. >>> >> >>> >> All ya gotta do is run the new dslreports and/or rrul test(s) on you= r >>> >> own older box, and post. ;) >>> >> >>> >> My understanding was that the old freebox was too weak to run anythi= ng >>> >> but SFQ, but it did run that on the outbound. >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > (The thing that most pisses me off with the classic FreeBox is tha= t >>> >> > it >>> >> > doesn't allow IPv6 subnetting -- unless you order the FreeBox >>> >> > Revolution, >>> >> > you're condemned to the purgatory of ND-proxying. Grr.) >>> >> >>> >> As tiny as the mods now are to support more extensive ipv6 in openwr= t, >>> >> that certainly was not the case in 2012. >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- Juliusz >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht >>> >> Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** >>> >> >>> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Bloat mailing list >>> >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht >>> Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** >>> >>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67 >> >> > > > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67 --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67