From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 035A83B2A4 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id d19so14155842qkg.5 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6lKILoOGkG+1vKkdjULQIKzv2dRO63/Et7nJ4INKXW8=; b=narRHGnhiQzmZZPF2TYvuaO07OOhXT2c7yMXZeeq0Yb5p4w2s/Plr4T/Eade5+Tuhq kRAj0eCd9yuWxnrwzJ6w7E37ZkejmX+9fQvQVt76LRKC4cabLevJaPjk0yLjg9fXw1/X HVepoVQ+G8GY2BOAHF9h0n97gCCC4lJrWNd8qNIgA31ccxaZURTvrqlp6VlLApxodHXv WPGFnuyxwQTqXFKKrsMKEn7NANKBpcWdmmfIT/eBNfIyP1SZNhlbVyo0gQnE4aG+s2qn Il1r8XQE3YtQHKfHCzSevvu3SqqjgaFwruDZrAmULYSIO0DT8lvgittZiTB6AoxfTXPz BiHw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6lKILoOGkG+1vKkdjULQIKzv2dRO63/Et7nJ4INKXW8=; b=i7DExWE4S3A4aM5HoCrDsj/HTmcqzWCUhseY3dG518jRTGuSkYFlXbUChza8bbh/pl jPOHiDOf+UvULzyvNB/GRywj22x0e4bvmD58TIuXJrwfel6WmAqe16nJTGZXPX8G8S7g l73q0SgfoxgAlmGqp8d1ct+JNZz+vC3hCUg6vWZ8NIzLSy39cdGRWP/j1qgdWUrUec/h Z1rcvkqgmwIZwv4pYb2UyO5wQq6yTuviACshGh9eX0Yw8BC9qQsCI7Y2QgLE2QYJWPgL 68R5mTbvspPiUTEx+UngZ+543AehnpVp9zejQ/+7GNDHlOyxQMV+7QrpZesBR1rW1F32 7aQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJ3RuYnS9Npnyum3Zts1WJdz22CMYrNEBY3cCfeqBQ4T4mgCsML hCV8TgCF34qQG2b8jENjTtCqkYHV/2i3dnr0TiA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dQlb6C75VtkS99FgdBdOlEv3tcISfJDd5FJUvMVg/Qr6GZwbd9m/VgC28xEv1frIHBHS+UBuaD56LDWKNPOGk= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:ee02:: with SMTP id i2mr1403653qkg.179.1542038836241; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87va529v0l.fsf@taht.net> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:07:04 -0800 Message-ID: To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] excellent result with OpenWrt 18.06.1 + CAKE on FTTH X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:07:17 -0000 On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 7:51 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote= : > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Dave Taht wrote: > > > I guess my biggest question is how bloated is the "Before cake" > > version of the link? > > Not very. > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/41693199 Kind of hard to argue with that. However I tend to think dslreports and browsers start to give inaccurate tests at these speeds. Got rrul available? The closest flent server I have to you is in germany. I also agree that, man, the base difference in "getting on" a fiber network is really something you can feel. - 2ms vs 10+... you can complete a short transaction before one can even start, on cable. To me, this is probably the biggest perceptual difference between cable and fiber behavior (more important than fixing bloat) I miss being on sonic. And I didn't know, until recently, that my modem was on badmodems.com's list. > I then did another test while at the same time doing a different vendor > speedtest: > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/41693256 > > Ping just increased 5-10 ms when doing this. > > If I then re-enable cake with 250000/100000 I get: > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/41693346 I don't "get" the knee in the download curve here and the prior test. > > qdisc after this last test: > > qdisc cake 8034: dev eth1.2 root refcnt 2 bandwidth 100Mbit besteffort > triple-isolate nonat nowash no-ack-filter split-gso rtt 100.0ms raw > overhead 0 > Sent 391610860 bytes 650447 pkt (dropped 1430, overlimits 645558 requeu= es > 0) > backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 > memory used: 2425408b of 5000000b > capacity estimate: 100Mbit > min/max network layer size: 46 / 1514 > min/max overhead-adjusted size: 46 / 1514 > average network hdr offset: 14 > > Tin 0 > thresh 100Mbit > target 5.0ms > interval 100.0ms > pk_delay 82us > av_delay 6us > sp_delay 1us > backlog 0b > pkts 651877 > bytes 393761357 > way_inds 11602 > way_miss 3103 > way_cols 0 > drops 1430 > marks 0 > ack_drop 0 > sp_flows 16 > bk_flows 1 > un_flows 0 > max_len 18168 > quantum 1514 > > qdisc ingress ffff: dev eth1.2 parent ffff:fff1 ---------------- > Sent 896042971 bytes 760157 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) > backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 > qdisc fq_codel 0: dev tun2025 root refcnt 2 limit 10240p flows 1024 > quantum 1514 target 5.0ms interval 100.0ms memory_limit 4Mb ecn > Sent 21580 bytes 166 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) > backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 > maxpacket 0 drop_overlimit 0 new_flow_count 0 ecn_mark 0 > new_flows_len 0 old_flows_len 0 > qdisc cake 8035: dev ifb4eth1.2 root refcnt 2 bandwidth 250Mbit besteffor= t > triple-isolate nonat nowash no-ack-filter split-gso rtt 100.0ms raw > overhead 0 > Sent 912501460 bytes 754253 pkt (dropped 5904, overlimits 926439 requeu= es > 0) > backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 > memory used: 805712b of 12500000b > capacity estimate: 250Mbit > min/max network layer size: 60 / 1514 > min/max overhead-adjusted size: 60 / 1514 > average network hdr offset: 14 > > Tin 0 > thresh 250Mbit > target 5.0ms > interval 100.0ms > pk_delay 650us > av_delay 429us > sp_delay 1us > backlog 0b > pkts 760157 > bytes 921432581 > way_inds 17426 > way_miss 3168 > way_cols 0 > drops 5904 > marks 0 > ack_drop 0 > sp_flows 7 > bk_flows 1 > un_flows 0 > max_len 15104 > quantum 1514 > > > it seems to smoothe out the flows better than my ISP shaper. > > These tests are done when rest of people in the household was also using > Internet for other things, so not "clean room". > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740