From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22f.google.com (mail-ob0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E94D3CBB6 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id tz8so59626522obc.0 for ; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=F9sldwwKydk2uP/yHt5jLvuRjztCuJz70xD9REGaWp4=; b=lJYiTMhvrGFDc+B4+9ATIVqtvsPI6FaloGiD/q+xkRPW9Ld6bO373mi+oM9fsFEfUX ecqjnwLGfV5A27QuKe7py38lZn7UZI7mJnmgiIbn2gw+ee6QlmJBPVkXbypet3BKf4tc sjL0/+v0OuQFnTomo7j4oHMbND+n/vwYYeI+if/vIvUSGGNSahN8lXkCvaNkI3ECFDkg l3jFoU0pz6IgJhm/DtQBlUI/Rb01/t7uR+/aq/6bBa0tRX0iRBW2mW9RuqRQSzcoJP0M vJqvR3CXJvr0mZBwCFMsa4nGND6B63vXQPLQAcmx0ztR3G2t9OB2P+k7Id6Y2anbWmbg YGWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=F9sldwwKydk2uP/yHt5jLvuRjztCuJz70xD9REGaWp4=; b=Myod8wUrUkzRAlciRahCp4PvREgKPAz6QRY+RBnSZJ7Kkpx62Q3D+DT6B1Yp+f//Zm vx+4KlmrzVor92MGVIrp4pr+A7Getb25dcI6+Le9F5pJ/V2wO9OsnTc0oeesWXUaxPRA 6YvFG3WZHjvSjhrWTg0fhSVc+H5unMNlcLM+FfCDMkU6oWO5zRaQYf/NVfLnpA34qssM Z+XPegdsKXoYJq9Df9y6ImfInxXk3k4KBe/z5g4j2Dm/9ytnA/58GhP3kmeJE4ZNmqwM NcMy9GiEjKTvNjvosacOIUt63ysdcCJQt162xuVxIGvZ9XeECA8uo2UGZ68dT67UyY32 vH9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLqnleAhlmaPrRGQBNjohrJ8ZAUSk4uN2fR7hpqMxarmJ74aGYbMdGDXjOg9l+uJQBJt+q6wzuB4Bgo3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.38.233 with SMTP id j9mr3124041obk.57.1460083908540; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.79.215 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 19:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] the "ietf" accord bof X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 02:51:49 -0000 I rather enjoyed the "accord" bof, which was trying to find diffserv models to fit 3gpp (5g) behavior. The analogy jari made about fq_codel being the "zero bit" alternative to diffserv was quite good, but I missed his actual presentation. The session had a really good, basic, introduction to 3ggp's design, also... Then the ecn-ish debate started... The session was closed by ted hardie's refresher of how rfc791's original use case, but the slides don't do it justice. You can find the slides at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/materials.html/ -- Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi