From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x231.google.com (mail-lf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E5C3B2A4; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id m4-v6so4067043lfj.13; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yg51jfrAOpZjrhUk7IY1SRK2Op+45agz3C2bwRe9HZY=; b=uS9lul4zLMXYu7ANEvfm9GCn8ny6oNjhzGyZhvu1HKueYbslj0gDvJ5T6cgt+uHAL8 dhGjoKu+qDRiyTGkOSzrK2jl2s9ChiTwl/i8jUqLzTLWc7WS82zWHiJpPASvvhzGY+Yo I98l7rrqK6nMJzVGatEtFMToy4BO/ieJNFgb0p51UPhEpzBWBkBZ+mYpMfPhTZnX9Ci/ xLKC0o/1zYHsFJBZAUJu2akS33NtlFU4J2tn1Ba1fighmXdkuhLzn+gC7H/66THcyWnt VnsFDyPOfcslhCJ+nu86+4kls9y/6i2iAdUV/tjVciRAvx4w30a5xPgptxOeoUewqUO5 VWuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yg51jfrAOpZjrhUk7IY1SRK2Op+45agz3C2bwRe9HZY=; b=e1+2WkvwcYwIS1KQTyWSvxyeQ2hVa0whX/qbx3JF2ZhwdpIVy7j+/KKiiRtEmaEmD/ SB/1psmODh8jqMv8qYBiMwXuhRdb8DXVniNkWnYvkbKt3rS9RW04KUbVZbEWwk2mY7kj ZSvX/F7AowXRKZY8JzgMWSy5zQm9FPMf2gSguYSHFfYMKbTn7MoqsRQMKeO5dJTkrfE7 VE1mP0hxKj0i8hgQHa66VHQH9GD4Yy3lwkkLiU5ks2OEYJ02biM3NgnQMIOnKdFYVbr0 8pXohNm4j/BomN6b2Xlr79WNNkYUA5koA/BxSkhCN0PmMpxWnKoR+sL/wrk5mw4qQ6y9 FBQg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0tsNtIGzIQL96J7JNZePaLh++nNohBbUIGncbkGfRowC7wQyvz 0RcToHV92dkYVa3sYYWXMloKux3fWLKfid/57N8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJeNsRdcjE531OsWtrLT2BgZYkL0L0WrDhVPbkwuaUkMmyeYksCZrTXUq3xQ0ZdrIx2XzBnstOgWqXrJszaawY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:635b:: with SMTP id x88-v6mr18730458ljb.103.1529602883144; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8736xgsdcp.fsf@toke.dk> <838b212e-7a8c-6139-1306-9e60bfda926b@gmail.com> <20180621084611.32f29234@xeon-e3> In-Reply-To: <20180621084611.32f29234@xeon-e3> From: Caleb Cushing Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 12:41:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stephen Hemminger Cc: Dave Taht , Make-Wifi-fast , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007f52a5056f2a6c1d" Subject: Re: [Bloat] lwn.net's tcp small queues vs wifi aggregation solved X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:41:24 -0000 --0000000000007f52a5056f2a6c1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm not disagreeing, just saying that wifi is much more prevalent now than just laptops... literally I only have a cord for emergency use On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:46 AM Stephen Hemminger < stephen@networkplumber.org> wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:31:18 -0500 > Caleb Cushing wrote: > > > actually... all of my devices, including my desktop connect through wifi > > these days... and only one of them isn't running some variant of linux. > > > > Sigh. My experience with wifi is that it is not stable enough for that. > Both AP's I have tried Linksys ACM3200 or Netgear WNDR3800 I still see > random drop outs. > Not sure if these are device resets (ie workarounds) or other issues. > > These happen independent of firmware (vendor, OpenWRT, or LEDE). > So my suspicion is the that Wifi hardware is shite and that firmware is > trying > to workaround and mask the problem. > -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com --0000000000007f52a5056f2a6c1d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not disagreeing, just saying that wifi is much mor= e prevalent now than just laptops... literally I only have a cord for emerg= ency use

On Thu, Jun 21,= 2018 at 10:46 AM Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:31:18 -0500
Caleb Cushing <xenoterracide@gmail.com> wrote:

> actually... all of my devices, including my desktop connect through wi= fi
> these days... and only one of them isn't running some variant of l= inux.
>

Sigh. My experience with wifi is that it is not stable enough for that.
Both AP's I have tried Linksys ACM3200 or Netgear WNDR3800 I still see = random drop outs.
Not sure if these are device resets (ie workarounds) or other issues.

These happen independent of firmware (vendor, OpenWRT, or LEDE).
So my suspicion is the that Wifi hardware is shite and that firmware is try= ing
to workaround and mask the problem.
--
Caleb Cushing
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