From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com; arc=pass; dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmail.com policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mail-dy1-x132c.google.com (mail-dy1-x132c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132c]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4980F11D598B for ; Mon, 08 Jun 2026 02:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-dy1-x132c.google.com with SMTP id 5a478bee46e88-3074adb8fcaso5707292eec.0 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2026 17:29:58 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1780878596; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20240605; b=fdeIczJeHVvnPNieQwzGTMgOM3G8rL5wks8J8zHb9fZFz48ZUknoTtzR3Db6xYraWO V6mAeyO3fLoak+OK0DmUc/GNxPn7wl9bBDLTJAzkz+Gr0JnFgy7H2OzIxw+czovsG7GH liolBu9SjaQcZ9Lli1ZFWPaTH8tZ4N5lPjiKndWL3fNL8+Omp1BrhqOkWZMqQZXhj+ON 9F1cwxJPfvKQY5O0K8CuzQLVdb8HTgRlMlFyLCMIRegzQ2THQNxZaBU5dOFCBvnMXglP 8DT0kLGiDzRFYlDGM216XbaMSf7KTvVaYpNa+jyRysDB8djuw3PLSXSVshDQbDMZhfEU DkeQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20240605; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:dkim-signature; bh=8XECmCEprco8r4ewD/DdHJi7G7dcHtbGd9/tcrZU+dU=; fh=boHWMMcu+LVr5TG/W4PnbT+2bID06lo24UnBL1H5Djg=; b=NlSDpV2rv2zdQMmjb56aNPF2WM7tlJNl46LZ8So9pLSeYzAI53NJwPdKyH+75BbKpd iiAsSXdBQ6dVuItoyv4Z6lYZWw2fkAsoQMESBuHDu2GcZV8j9roVv0sq8B6397or7y6j jszT7XxTmIvIMf9t2z4Yf0BmdFGWTltfKwAIdW7ZDQb4uKQv/48yx472eOiucsvc6KRh DsmMk0HED0u5JFpjbeLQxkscoJCD/JQ5fg1iYvmLdLVRdg6h0fF6EZb3wdo0ULqHiXN/ s2CWApbcjYq1CJpr/FLS/S/1Nmy4iUfPeQrMCZVR/kQYmasDisOhQD+X4e7LlezFtbot 9Jmw==; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20251104; t=1780878596; x=1781483396; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8XECmCEprco8r4ewD/DdHJi7G7dcHtbGd9/tcrZU+dU=; b=srWAKPYmrNhlH/i1mseXlIkgjRcu8aYitFeVsmzlEBSMp54iQvAP49pEVuWueNzVW7 1cG9tWd1i8rw4ZpJDLjmHWS4hRfghhH/Ve/obyWzVDWb0oyVNR64Yo8EelHoRWNywdvA rjgrxEGYowkY0NB6HzNM7mxeA04ODebL1N85iOOE6SYqNRAAE8zIge6quP9mMxVGZY5Z 5jsHnWfz5bPr2gfRVTuiGtGt+FHvWFdDP3MtcvmfpLKAWalx4fQoUvhZG/q5nHU2J4ia pCbhW1kyNCMXUVjWs48/nl1C4oZLQ8MwyR7d5+YWTpjBVTlIAO7yOhITQxaWFTBnC+UE z6fA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20251104; t=1780878596; x=1781483396; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=8XECmCEprco8r4ewD/DdHJi7G7dcHtbGd9/tcrZU+dU=; b=BpgDmF5KSrCAFBr78tk1xi+0ApNV3jJ4YjGxXvE0hwodPTEFXo9ohjb+gUyGRn+7Ms /plzoWQ9r/KqlnJtVb27jYGfL5nn8KMZ4AtrvQBDItiuS+elsEAxnL36PApTgAM2X5qi 902y6kekOuE+DAjR+UAZFaeAFa6Qwc5CqX+ZNgnRHMpoTShOHuX9STG+FDv2e+tX2iLd 9/YWVUIUZgWOujWR+XSgK4NRRzh9A6eFSeHeeLgcyYa9zkusukiY5+9b1ObVXA5GVNkO 12hLWv94Kv3BLXmTUFYZKI578SF34s9RXP/10IbsjmdFtoPX5Okmu2FG+avd4kekHIJp RHvw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AFNElJ+TlEfz2v2CYVYQD/JBbqOx2Lpks1KdNwuGoOYZz+8yg49Vrs3hxu6rm5TCDVNfZtZy0L8BFg==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyDm8+nOIf0+GdXM8Hm68D3Jm2gawyPvcGm2ULqintcMPzOAL5r N4IaFd/sGe1DZ8U0KgFC3cMnWrDzGHik77T86SXHx+MquyAsXoDNbQRfGXmFfrqmnlteWRDHizZ sjKUnU4kMiNxc7iGE87k/sz75OMoLkAw= X-Gm-Gg: Acq92OH8cGltqaOtbqhAPuWNHnLk+vpxqoith4t2enwUmxTLM26BjoaNeph0X58ro2G fEgjce6TRgzGnOhByjtaCsx3qe0AsKBShnKYmp02+KIH0gKnzDCQEvQLqBjs2ygaWU1yt01SPcy OKFAgAYO1msJMCyY+udjXqZEGjLKwQ/4z9mUafaJvWl1YsZhXktoG8FbrCiRlBfLvs8nhsx0rQi hDYVmwvr2qZU//+OhNBrClj68+yuG9BZWE+x6c6fE7JB91BN4CmrPD8gbUhKSewbKt/sOA84ewQ 2X6Ss3kyNFTDIQtbn5ti88Vrnk1xlGn+tqI/7BK0Hv72gVZFR76Nx9b6yGo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:7300:caa:b0:2f2:6dde:df53 with SMTP id 5a478bee46e88-3077b181258mr7455743eec.17.1780878595454; Sun, 07 Jun 2026 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8e14c6935753c6263351ad00ec59b9cb@umbernetworks.com> <055e42685cddfa4c1a4ff4da089996eb@umbernetworks.com> <7455E3B4-7FB4-4D40-A900-B31151D12F6F@gmx.de> <52CE3DA7-EC5A-4FF8-A88E-26A7A6661983@gmx.de> <8qr7qons-5sp9-o30o-49qr-02p67prss6rr@ynat.uz> <7421a405a482f9a38f100f31979b2a7c@umbernetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <7421a405a482f9a38f100f31979b2a7c@umbernetworks.com> From: dan Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2026 18:29:43 -0600 X-Gm-Features: AVVi8Cclw3cruE_oeuk-5_XEcHMzQfGBsO2P9VlGZM6R7RtAYIq96JiVtBndSIg Message-ID: To: bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com Cc: David Lang , Sebastian Moeller , Frantisek Borsik , codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , bloat , Jiml , William Fisher , Thomas , Tim Odriscoll Message-ID-Hash: MRDRGY6EQJWTA34AXR3EFMIMVIZBSPSH X-Message-ID-Hash: MRDRGY6EQJWTA34AXR3EFMIMVIZBSPSH X-MailFrom: dandenson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] [Rpm] Re: Re: [Cake] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: V2lGaSBhbmQgRmlXaSBhcmUgZm9sbG93aW5nIGlkZW50aWNhbCBSRiBzdGFuZGFyZHMsIHRoZXJl IGlzIG5vIGFyZ3VtZW50DQpiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSB0d28gb24gdGhpcy4gaWUgdGhlIE9GRE1BIGFy Z3VtZW50cy4NCg0KT0ZETUEgZG9lcyB3YWl0IFBFUiBSVSBmb3IgQ1MsIGJ1dCBvbmx5IHBlciBS VSwgaXQgY2FuIHRyYW5zbWl0IG9uIGNsZWFuDQpSVXMgcGVyIEFQLiAgVGhpcyBpcyBwcmFjdGlj YWxseSBpZGVudGljYWwgdG8gRmlXaSdzIGZlYXR1cmVzZXQgYmVjYXVzZQ0KaXQncyBhbHNvIHVz aW5nIE9GRE1BIHdpdGggQ1MgcHJvdGVjdGlvbiBvbiBXaUZpNyBGaVdpLiAgVGhlcmUgaXMgbm8N CmFkdmFudGFnZSB0byBGaVdpIGhlcmUsIHdlJ3JlIGFsbCB0YWxraW5nIE9GRE1BIHRvIE9GRE1B IGNsaWVudHMuDQoNCg0KSSdsbCBhY2tub3dsZWRnZSAyLjUgUkVBTCBGaVdpIGFkdmFudGFnZXMu IFNvcnRlZCBieSB2YWx1ZSBpbiBteSBleWVzDQoNCjEpIGNvbWJpbmluZyBhIHNpbmdsZSBjbGll bnQgdHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uIHJlY2VpdmVkIG9uIG11bHRpcGxlIFJSSA0KYWRkaXRpdmVseS4gIFNv cnQgb2YgJ2JlYW1mb3JtaW5nIGFkdmFudGFnZScuICBXaUZpIHdpbGwgbGlrZWx5IG5ldmVyIGdh aW4NCnN1Y2ggYSBmZWF0dXJlLiAgV2lGaSA5KyBzaG91bGQgZ2V0IHZpcnR1YWwgQVAgd2hpY2gg d2lsbCBsb29rIGEgbG90IGxpa2UNCnRoaXMsIGJ1dCBGaVdpIHdvdWxkIGxpa2VseSBhbHdheXMg cmV0YWluIGFuIGVkZ2UgaGVyZSBhbmQgaXQncyBhdmFpbGFibGUNCip0b2RheSosIGxpa2VseS4u LjUtMTAgeWVhcnMgb3V0IGZvciB3aWZpOSBhbmQgdGhpcyBmZWF0dXJlLg0KDQoyKSBzaW5nbGUg cHJlc2VudGVkIE1BQy4gIENsaWVudHMgZG9uJ3QgaGF2ZSB0byAncm9hbScgd2l0aGluIFJSSCBn cm91cHMuDQogV2lGaSBoYXMgci9rL3Ygcm9hbWluZyB3aGljaCBpcyBmYW50YXN0aWMsIGJ1dCBp dCBpcyBhIG1lY2hhbmlzbSB0aGF0DQpyZXF1aXJlcyBjbGllbnQgc3VwcG9ydC4gIE5ld2VyIFdp RmkgZGV2aWNlcyBhbGwgaGF2ZSB0aGlzIHNvIGl0J3MgYQ0KZGlzYWR2YW50YWdlIHRoYXQgZmFk ZXMgYSBiaXQgb3ZlciB0aW1lLCBidXQgRmlXaSB3b3VsZCBhbHdheXMgcmV0YWluIGFuDQplZGdl IGhlcmUuDQoNCjMpIGNlbnRyYWwgc2NoZWR1bGluZy4gIEZpV2kgd2l0aCBhIGNlbnRyYWwgY29u dHJvbGxlciBhY3RzIGFzIG9uZSBnaWFudA0KTXVNSU1PIEFQICp0b2RheSouICBXaUZpIHdhcyBz dXBwb3NlZCB0byBnZXQgdGhpcyBpbiA3LCBidXQgaXQgZ290IHB1c2hlZA0KdG8gOC4gV2lGaTgg ZG9lcyBoYXZlIGNlbnRyYWwgbWFuYWdlbWVudCBhbmQgc2NoZWR1bGluZyBhdmFpbGFibGUgYW5k IHRoYXQNCmlzIGluIGRyYWZ0IGhhcmR3YXJlIHRvZGF5LiAgIFRoaXMgaXMgdGhlICcwLjUnIG9m IHRoZSAyLjUgYWR2YW50YWdlcy4NCg0KDQpIT1dFVkVSLCBteSBvcmlnaW5hbCBwb2ludCBpcyB0 aGF0IFdpRmk3IHRvZGF5IGZpbGwgdGhlIHZhc3QgbWFqb3JpdHkgb2YNCnRoZSBGaVdpIHBlcmZv cm1hbmNlIGNsYWltcyB3aGVuIHRoZSBuZXR3b3JrIGlzIGJ1aWx0IGFuZCBwbGFubmVkIHdlbGwu DQpQcmFjdGljYWwgZGVwbG95bWVudHMsIG5vdCBxdW90aW5nIHBhcGVyIHNwZWNzLiAgQWdhaW4s IHdlJ3JlIGRvaW5nIGV2ZW50DQpjZW50ZXJzLCBob3RlbHMsIGV0YyBhbmQgV2lGaTcgaXMgbGlr ZSBtYWdpYyB0b2RheSwgY2hlYXBseS4NCg0KSSdsbCBnaXZlIGEgc3BlY2lmaWMgZXhhbXBsZSBo ZXJlIHRoYXQgcHJlc2VudHMgYSBjaGFsbGVuZ2UgdGhhdCBGaVdpDQpjYW5ub3QgcHJhY3RpY2Fs eSBzZXJ2aWNlICh0aGUgZmliZXIgdG8gdGhlIFJSSCBiZWluZyB0aGUgZWxpbWluYXRvcg0KaGVy ZSkuICBXZSBydW4gYSBuZXR3b3JrIGlzIGEgc21hbGwgcmVzb3J0IHRvd24gd2l0aCBzZWFtbGVz cyBXaUZpIGFsb25nDQp0aGUgZW50aXJlIDEvMiBtaWxlIGRvd250b3duIGFyZWEgaW5jbHVkaW5n IHBhcnRzIGFuZCBzdG9yZWZyb250cywgdGhlIHpvbywNCmV0Yy4gIFdlIHJ1biBteSBmYXZvcml0 ZSBTSVAgcGhvbmUsIHRoZSBZZWFsaW5rIEFYODZSIGFuZCB5b3UgY2FuIHdhbGsgMw0KbWFqb3Ig cGF0aHMgYW5kIHByb2JhYmx5IDIwIHNvbGlkIG1pbnV0ZXMgb24gZm9vdCByb2FtaW5nIHZpYSBy L2svdiwgd2l0aA0KcHJpb3JpdGl6ZWQgcGFja2V0cywgcmlkaW5nIGEgbmV0d29yayB3aXRoIG1h bnkgd2lmaSBjYW1lcmFzIGFuZCBvZnRlbiBtYW55DQpodW5kcmVkcyBvZiB1c2VycywgYW5kIHNl YW1sZXNzbHkgcm9hbSB0aHJvdWdoIGEgZG96ZW4gcmVzdGF1cmFudHMgYW5kIGENCmNvdXBsZSBo b3RlbHMsIHdpdGhvdXQgYSBoaWNjdXAuICBUaGlzIHRyYXZlcnNlcyBhIFZMQU4gb3ZlciBtdWx0 aXBsZQ0KbW1XYXZlIHdpcmVsZXNzIGxpbmtzIGJ1aWxkaW5nIGEgfjRHYnBzIG1lc2ggZmFicmlj LiAgTW9kZXJuIFdpRmkgcGhvbmVzDQpwdWxsID4xRyBzcGVlZCB0ZXN0cywgdGhlcmUgYXJlIG5v IGNvbmdlc3Rpb24gaXNzdWVzIGV2ZW4gZHVyaW5nIHBlYWsNCnNlYXNvbi4gVGhlc2UgQVBzIGhh dmUgYSBwdWJsaWMgU1NJRC4gIFdpRmk3IEtJTExTLiAgIFNhbWUgc3RvcnkgYXMgYWJvdmUsDQpX UEEzLzgwTWh6IGNoYW5uZWxzIGluIDVHaHosIDE2ME1oeiBpbiA2R2h6LCBtYWtlcyBmb3IgYW4g YWxtb3N0IGVudGlyZWx5DQpPRkRNQSBjYXBhYmxlIGRldmljZSBtYWtldXAuICBTZXBhcmF0ZSBB UHMgb24gV1BBIDIuNC81R2h6IGluIGJ1aWxkaW5ncyB0bw0KZmFjaWxpdGF0ZSBsZWdhY3kuICBU aGlzIGlzIGEgJ3ZlcnkgaGFyZCcgd2lmaSB0aGluZyBpbiB0aGUgb2xkIGRheXMgYW5kDQp0b2Rh eSwgaXQncyBhY3R1YWxseSBxdWl0ZSBlYXN5LiAgICBBbmQgbWluZCB5b3UsIHRoZXNlIGFyZSBv dXRkb29yIEFQcywNCnRoZXkncmUgZmlnaHRpbmcgY29uc3VtZXIgd2lmaSBub2lzZSBtdWNoIG11 Y2ggbW9yZSB0aGFuIHR5cGljYWwuICAgVGhleQ0KaGF2ZSB0byBzY2hlZHVsZSBhcm91bmQgc2Vs Zi1ub2lzZS4gICBBbHNvIG5vdGUsIHRoaXMgbmV0IHJ1bnMgY2VsbHVsYXINCm9mZmxvYWQgc28g d2UgaGF2ZSBhIExPVCBvZiAnZHJpdmUtYnknIGpvaW5zIGFuZCB1c2UuDQoNCk9GRE1BIGFjdHVh bGx5ICppcyogYSBtYWdpYyBidWxsZXQgZm9yIFdpRmksIGJ1dCB0aGUgYW5lY2RvdGFsIGV2aWRl bmNlDQpnaXZlbiBpcyAqMSogT0ZETUEgYnVsbGV0IGluIGEgc2l4IHNob290ZXIgYW5kIHRoZSBv dGhlciA1IGFyZSA4MDIuMTFuLg0KWW91IGNhbm5vdCBtYWtlIHN0cm9uZyBqdWRnZW1lbnRzIG9u IG1vZGVybiB3aWZpIGlmIHlvdSdyZSBub3QgYnVpbGRpbmcNCm1vZGVybiB3aWZpIG5ldHdvcmtz Lg0KDQpUaGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgcHJlbWlzZSBJTU8gc3RhbmRzLCBtb2Rlcm4gV2lGaSwgZXNwZWNp YWxseSBpbiBkZXBsb3ltZW50cw0KdGhhdCBhcmUgRmlXaSB0YXJnZXRzLCBpcyBhbHJlYWR5IHZl cnkgdmVyeSB2ZXJ5IGdvb2QgaW4gcmVhbCB3b3JsZA0KZGVwbG95bWVudHMuDQo=