From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36D023B29E; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id y192so8220985yby.1; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:56:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=QlBdybgfF48BXGeaT3W7q7iWapyec70umKSJv2qrF0M=; b=ihXD38a2GMVBe0+9/lbqkgFf4iqc2hZszRyj1w9SYaOtJskUtsh2p5u1Bqhj6URy4s UKXlS09faxA7J8gdT13DGt5YhbwM+uUQw7fN6Ek0teA+VaMKPaDwddlXNFcMdkB/PZz2 H0Yrxr5NYlGzs09Qfmx0/B656FYPA6NXeNNx9b3gtymLZJZCJ2IXmGqfD+xkabjv1dIj OcqQm9wkTiO/ISxs0oCnHy66DBow5W2CmiYMMbYLb+kdpQRSxxBIFT8c84uDJnrGhrBu gjyrNJ3oLWCjj/IiofFM110aklGPO1ChZGUTBGR5qayEBLquIAXOI4872tIvpFp7N8/j MrUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=QlBdybgfF48BXGeaT3W7q7iWapyec70umKSJv2qrF0M=; b=hCEBBpVXFojsLOZYaTzxXKZbM6LKCdtUiCJit4yCf8S1T8oR++k0GK2wVfRR9ghJ6C F5ww57IXsF6cp5xd4Y2Cw+eIjLtwlsAhfhlE10xfBEejWbTqFtSfXe88zvHGY2lYKram XKPVQbXsG969I80ESxI1D0YJoHAEWO5JblVXNiuxlVLyQbEkzfgrvYSjk6UJHNv1gqLy juOoJ1yA5FETcdLejtWmVpM0xbeEm/qA38wbe0LHOJFaruIviyh/nRqcmF9agX/D7nkS eOZMnox1d2CKAwCY3vQaRE1KJe916APWN+T2Z7hpmMV9UNek/gqgrbnN0fZz5J/v7yYY gAsw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pm1U/D5C/U0RhFwEcib/DKys5t1/4TxoJwcF60+KHhkMqiTyVbs 2/sSKQfPgpumYOR+PIongbkbqcSSyqI8ydANGq8c9PQrtng= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6IcPUx+d0PSOTJrPLvSjVP3bNz2v1gfQ+ktZVKKCWn3DpnrnAHoj4ZJiDJHO1LHTFOE0DQLX1I//NzZaan6hE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:8684:0:b0:6bd:3255:b5b9 with SMTP id z4-20020a258684000000b006bd3255b5b9mr9911226ybk.342.1668380203415; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:56:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: dan Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: libreqos , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005ffdae05ed62091a" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 08:24:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:56:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 15:56:32 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:56:44 -0000 --0000000000005ffdae05ed62091a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is definitely our focus. We preach low latency first and better uploads second, downloads are a distant third. We do have to advertise the faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services. See my other email though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at the moment. I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA. I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out that latency is important :D On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS < libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us= -edition/ > > "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now > clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network > providers seeking to provide =E2=80=93 and guarantee and commercially ben= efit > from =E2=80=93 optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud > gaming." > > -- > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136666= 5607352320-FXtz > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > LibreQoS mailing list > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > --0000000000005ffdae05ed62091a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is definitely our focus.=C2=A0 We preach low latency = first and better uploads second, downloads are a distant third.=C2=A0 We do= have to advertise the faster speeds just to get into the conversation beca= use Spectrum for example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.=C2=A0= See my other email though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, T= DS is actually worse than that to many services but I don't have a remo= te login to a TDS site at the moment.=C2=A0 I'm 15ms more from AWS Oreg= on on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA= .=C2=A0=C2=A0

I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sw= eet time figuring out that latency is important :D

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3= :52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-game= r-experience-the-us-edition/

"Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now=
clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
providers seeking to provide =E2=80=93 and guarantee and commercially benef= it
from =E2=80=93 optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
gaming."

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This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.= linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXt= z
Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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