From: Sina Khanifar <sina@waveform.com>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: "Dave Täht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
sam@waveform.com, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Updated Bufferbloat Test
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:01:53 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABF4YOWURDjT1e0kqxk336OQRAndhU1tdg=3C1EGGCnLQvqTxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5CB9F40C-5FFB-4ABC-A184-A3C3A29D2413@gmx.de>
> [SM] Maybe the solution would be to increase the frequency of the RTT measures and increase the quantile somewhat, maybe 90 or 95?
I think we scaled back the frequency of our RTT measurements to avoid
CPU issues, but I think we can increase them a little and then use
95th percentile latency with a cutoff of 400ms or so as the check vs
warning condition for videoconferencing, and VOIP.
We could also maybe use the 95th percentile cutoff for gaming? I'm not
sure what the limits/cutoff should be there, though. Would love some
suggestions.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 2:51 AM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Sina,
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 2021, at 06:56, Sina Khanifar <sina@waveform.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback, Dave!
> >
> >> 0) "average" jitter is a meaningless number. In the case of a videoconferencing application, what matters most is max jitter, where the app will choose to ride the top edge of that, rather than follow it. I'd prefer using a 98% number, rather than 75% number, to weight where the typical delay in a videoconfernce might end up.
> >
> > Both DSLReports and Ookla's desktop app report jitter as an average
> > rather than as a max number, so I'm a little hesitant to go against
> > the norm - users might find it a bit surprising to see much larger
> > jitter numbers reported. We're also not taking a whole ton of latency
> > tests in each phase, so the 98% will often end up being the max
> > number.
> > [...]
>
> [SM] Maybe the solution would be to increase the frequency of the RTT measures and increase the quantile somewhat, maybe 90 or 95?
>
> Best Regards
> Sebastian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-25 20:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-24 18:22 Sina Khanifar
2021-02-24 22:10 ` Dave Taht
2021-02-24 23:39 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 5:56 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 7:15 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 7:32 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 13:38 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 13:43 ` Dave Taht
2021-02-25 13:49 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2021-02-25 13:53 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 19:47 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 19:56 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 20:10 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 20:52 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 20:53 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 13:46 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 7:20 ` Simon Barber
2021-02-25 10:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-02-25 20:01 ` Sina Khanifar [this message]
2021-02-25 20:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-02-26 1:06 ` Daniel Lakeland
2021-02-26 8:20 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-26 17:25 ` Michael Richardson
2021-02-24 22:15 ` Kenneth Porter
2021-02-25 5:29 ` Kenneth Porter
2021-02-25 5:35 ` Dave Taht
2021-02-25 6:24 ` Kenneth Porter
2021-02-25 1:16 ` David Collier-Brown
2021-02-25 6:21 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 4:48 ` Marco Belmonte
[not found] ` <1D68EF40C3A8A269831408C8@172.27.17.193>
2021-02-25 5:58 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 9:47 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2021-02-25 10:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-02-25 20:41 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 20:50 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-25 21:15 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-02-26 8:23 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-26 18:41 ` Sina Khanifar
2021-02-26 19:58 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-02-25 12:27 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-25 14:48 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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