Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today

[Pedro Tumusok <pedro.tumusok@gmail.com>]

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Looking at chipsets coming/just arrived from the chipset vendors, I think
we will see CPE with 10G SFP+ and 802.11ax Q3/Q4 this year.
Price is of course a bit steeper than the 15USD USB DSL modem :P, but
probably fits nicely for the SMB segment.

Pedro

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <joel@aenertia.net>
wrote:

> Bingo; that's definitely step one - gateways capable of 10gbit
> becoming the norm.
>
> On 4 December 2017 at 23:43, Pedro Tumusok <pedro.tumusok@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > For in home or even SMB, I doubt that 10G to the user PC is the main use
> > case.
> > Its having the uplink capable of support of more than1G, that 1G does not
> > necessarily need to be generated by only one host on the LAN.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pedro
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <joel@aenertia.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> How to deliver a switch, when the wiring and port standard isn't
> >> actually workable?
> >>
> >> 10GBase-T is out of Voltage Spec with SFP+ ; you can get copper SFP+
> >> but they are out of spec... 10GbaseT doesn't really work over Cat5e
> >> more than a couple of meters (if you are lucky) and even Cat6 is only
> >> rated at 30M... there is a reason no-one is producing Home Copper
> >> switches and it's not just the NIC Silicon cost (that was a factor
> >> until Recently obviously, but only part of the equation).
> >>
> >> On the flip side:
> >> Right now I am typing this via a 40gbit network, comprised of the
> >> cheap and readily available Tb3 port - it's daisy chained and limited
> >> to 6 ports, but right now it's easily the cheapest and most effective
> >> port. Pitty that the fabled optical tb3 cables are damn expensive...
> >> so you're limited to daisy-chains of 2m. They seem to have screwed the
> >> pooch on the USB-C network standard quite badly - which looked so
> >> promising, so for the moment Tb3 it is for me at least.
> >>
> >> On 4 December 2017 at 23:18, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But
> I
> >> >> refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A
> >> >> depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase
> >> >> distribution circuit.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near
> >> > 5-10
> >> > years.
> >> >
> >> >> This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what
> the
> >> >> market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable
> >> >> service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial
> >> >> access networks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter.
> >> > Sounds to
> >> > me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the
> >> > 2-3
> >> > gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I
> typically
> >> > see
> >> > on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual
> >> > subscriptions
> >> > are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the entire solution
> >> > can
> >> > deliver).
> >> >
> >> >> The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post
> >> >> Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT
> point
> >> >> in
> >> >> the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can
> >> >> deliver
> >> >> Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it, and
> >> >> right now
> >> >> there isn't a good technology platform that supports it;
> >> >> 10GBase-X/10GBaseT
> >> >> is a non-starter due to the variability in home wiring - arguably
> the 7
> >> >> year
> >> >> leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a gap of 12 years and
> >> >> counting for
> >> >> the same.. it's not just the NIC's and CPU's in the gateways it's the
> >> >> connector and in-home wiring problems as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything
> >> > involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide
> >> > use
> >> > in home/SME in the next 5 years.
> >> >
> >> >> Blatant Plug - request :
> >> >> I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very
> >> >> topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home'
> >> >> https://linux.conf.au/ at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you
> >> >> have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be
> >> >> happy for me to include in my talk, please include.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE
> >> > 24port
> >> > managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price
> jumps
> >> > up
> >> > a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even though
> >> > they're
> >> > not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE, but I guess
> >> > I'm an
> >> > outlier.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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> > --
> > Best regards / Mvh
> > Jan Pedro Tumusok
> >
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Best regards / Mvh
Jan Pedro Tumusok

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