From: Jeremy Austin <jeremy@aterlo.com>
To: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:52:07 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACw=56K6fdonbzFjT25nJXz1=J61gX=o1XBpt-G=_e-TUi-gdQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_JP8V+81zYHKpHHAoKxF5xav_dT6rNyNCCYXi_0KGyhFe+bA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:34 PM dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> See, you're coming around. Cake is autorating (or very close, 'on
> device') at the wan port. not the speed test device or software. And
> the accurate data is collected by cake, not the speed test tool. That
> tool is reporting false information because it must, it doesn't know
> the other consumers on the network. It's 'truest' when the network is
> quiet but the more talkers the more the tool lies.
>
> cake, the kernel, and the wan port all have real info, the speed test
> tool does not.
>
I'm running a bit behind on commenting on the thread (apologies, more
later) but I point you back at my statement about NTIA (and, to a certain
extent, the FCC):
Consumers use speed tests to qualify their connection.
Whether AQM is applied or not, a speed test does not reflect in all
circumstances the capacity of the pipe. One might argue that it seldom
reflects it.
Unfortunately, those who have "real info", to use Dan's term, are currently
nearly powerless to use it. I am, if possible, on both the ISP and consumer
side here.
And yes, Preseem does have an iron in this fire, or at least a dog in this
fight.
Ironically, the FCC testing for CAF/RDOF actually *does* take interface
load into account, only tests during peak busy hours, and /then/ does a
speed test. But NTIA largely ignores that for BEAD.
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[not found] ` <F4CA66DA-516C-438A-8D8A-5F172E5DFA75@cable.comcast.com>
2023-01-09 15:26 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [Bloat] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18 ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 0:11 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15 5:20 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 16:17 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Aaron Wood
2023-03-15 17:05 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 17:44 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 19:22 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [Bloat] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [Bloat] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [Bloat] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:31 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 12:53 ` Rich Brown
2023-03-21 15:22 ` Jan Ceuleers
2023-03-21 18:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:22 ` dan
2023-03-21 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-23 18:23 ` dan
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39 ` [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50 ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 0:07 ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26 0:50 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 8:45 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 0:28 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:57 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 21:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 21:26 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 17:06 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Larry Press
2023-03-28 17:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 18:11 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-28 18:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 20:37 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 21:31 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 22:18 ` dan
2023-03-28 22:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 8:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-29 13:40 ` [Bloat] Enabling a production model Dave Taht
2023-03-29 14:54 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-29 16:53 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-29 18:33 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 17:13 ` [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-29 17:34 ` dan
2023-03-29 20:03 ` David Lang
2023-03-29 17:46 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Rich Brown
2023-03-29 19:02 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:08 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:31 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:11 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-29 13:46 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-29 14:57 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 19:02 ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 19:37 ` dan
2023-03-25 20:27 ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52 ` Jeremy Austin [this message]
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27 ` dan
2023-03-14 9:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:02 ` [Bloat] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:04 ` [Bloat] UnderBloat on fiber and wisps Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:09 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:22 ` [Bloat] Offtopic: passive ping. was: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-13 18:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:48 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-01-09 20:49 ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:13 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 20:20 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:02 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Dick Roy
2023-01-10 17:36 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " David P. Reed
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