From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vb0-x230.google.com (mail-vb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A72200AE8 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w16so99352vbf.21 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SqJNJINm4Tbh6U+2qT9I82HWzI7Xkw5nTgLypmF6ZlA=; b=Zlt6gPhyqqNFOpVsDRtdisxKZ8n6+47kI3yR2V4KpsdeyeGshR8d1RSlvhGKqvM5NV 3tInnZEH/dKMLjc3yKcorQR7lYyhEs5vm8j3Fo/RuvP3KvvEp+naUaVtBBoWznf3GAeU S/nmvqnQq9myLIrRy+YA3KAAL4zfw4uyKSgPfNyF3xVI8TYTdEpcxp57OjCxLZ6FM2w0 6clERgMl0TCIkjuBOe0lmmS4QZ1oQCYBLrWvbxCMP4jFN9/kRm8tJf+OoyLskLYXiqx/ NU9dY8qST/yXF+re2F/wFlOUiSzri3ubGJ4Q+ZGlVCidyRt+QeN6FD89WIi8TDn851qH PZ1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.153.161 with SMTP id vh1mr2099710veb.29.1380136779859; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.51.198 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130925143510.GA6191@sesse.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:19:39 +0200 Message-ID: From: Naeem Khademi To: "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b603e7e814f9804e73a2250 Cc: "iccrg@irtf.org" , "aqm@ietf.org" , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:19:41 -0000 --047d7b603e7e814f9804e73a2250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Shahid Although interesting to know that (W)RED has made it into some hardware (in your RE to Lars' point), my question is more about "deployment" at the edge or the core, whether it's being used or not? Cheers, Naeem On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) < shahid.akhtar@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Hi Steinar and Lars, > > Please see below examples of support for RED/WRED from switches (from ALU > and Cisco websites, search for RED or WRED in document): > > ALU 7450: > > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd= =3D3&cad=3Drja&ved=3D0CDMQFjAC&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2= Fwps%2FDocumentStreamerServlet%3FLMSG_CABINET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMS= G_CONTENT_FILE%3DData_Sheets%2F7450ESS_HS_MDA_ds.pdf&ei=3DpS5DUrIZiI70BLyYg= YgK&usg=3DAFQjCNGS8uB-0Ele3TpDIRqbL4p1_kd2DQ&sig2=3Dv-AgGJMpcZjrpjP2oZIHrA&= bvm=3Dbv.53077864,d.eWU > > ALU Omniswitch: > > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd= =3D3&ved=3D0CDkQFjAC&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps%2FDoc= umentStreamerServlet%3FLMSG_CABINET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CONTENT_= FILE%3DData_Sheets%2Fent_OS6855_datasheet_en.pdf&ei=3D9i1DUsXlOo788QTU94HQA= Q&usg=3DAFQjCNFSXSEpkFjSihK1a0pkSHhItU8sZQ&sig2=3D3fitEZLZZI7Dmf0H2T3QbQ&bv= m=3Dbv.53077864,d.eWU > > Cisco Catalyst 6000/6500: > > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps708/prod_whi= te_paper09186a0080131086.html > > Cisco Catalyst 4500: > > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps4324/white_p= aper_c11-539588.html > > Best regards, > > -Shahid. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steinar H. Gunderson [mailto:sgunderson@bigfoot.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:35 AM > To: Eggert, Lars > Cc: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid); bloat; iccrg@irtf.org; aqm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bloat] [iccrg] [aqm] AQM deployment status? > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:31:21PM +0000, Eggert, Lars wrote: > >> Most routers/switches/access equipment support RFC 2309, which is a > >> description of RED. > > I've heard that statement from many different people. I wonder if it > > is actually true. Is there any hard data on this? > > I don't have hard data, but my soft data is that generally, devices > branded as switches (including L3 switches) do not support it. Routers > might. > > /* Steinar */ > -- > Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ > _______________________________________________ > aqm mailing list > aqm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm > --047d7b603e7e814f9804e73a2250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Shahid=A0

Although interes= ting to know that (W)RED has made it into some hardware (in your RE to Lars= ' point), my question is more about "deployment" at the edge = or the core, whether it's being used or not? =A0=A0

Cheers,
Naeem


On Wed, Sep 25,= 2013 at 8:51 PM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) <shahid.akhtar@al= catel-lucent.com> wrote:
Hi Steinar and Lars,

Please see below examples of support for RED/WRED from switches (from ALU a= nd Cisco websites, search for RED or WRED in document):

ALU 7450:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&= q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&ved=3D0CDMQ= FjAC&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps%2FDocumentStreame= rServlet%3FLMSG_CABINET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CONTENT_FILE%3DData_= Sheets%2F7450ESS_HS_MDA_ds.pdf&ei=3DpS5DUrIZiI70BLyYgYgK&usg=3DAFQj= CNGS8uB-0Ele3TpDIRqbL4p1_kd2DQ&sig2=3Dv-AgGJMpcZjrpjP2oZIHrA&bvm=3D= bv.53077864,d.eWU

ALU Omniswitch:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&am= p;esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&ved=3D0CDkQFjAC&url=3Dhttp%3= A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps%2FDocumentStreamerServlet%3FLMSG_CABIN= ET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CONTENT_FILE%3DData_Sheets%2Fent_OS6855_d= atasheet_en.pdf&ei=3D9i1DUsXlOo788QTU94HQAQ&usg=3DAFQjCNFSXSEpkFjSi= hK1a0pkSHhItU8sZQ&sig2=3D3fitEZLZZI7Dmf0H2T3QbQ&bvm=3Dbv.53077864,d= .eWU

Cisco Catalyst 6000/6500:

http://www.cisco.= com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps708/prod_white_paper09186a00801= 31086.html

Cisco Catalyst 4500:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US= /prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps4324/white_paper_c11-539588.html

Best regards,

-Shahid.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steinar H. Gunderson [mailto:sgunderson@bigfoot.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:35 AM
To: Eggert, Lars
Cc: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid); bloat; iccrg= @irtf.org; aqm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [iccrg] [aqm] AQM deployment status?

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:31:21PM +0000, Eggert, Lars wrote:
>> Most routers/switches/access equipment support RFC 2309, which is = a
>> description of RED.
> I've heard that statement from many different people. I wonder if = it
> is actually true. Is there any hard data on this?

I don't have hard data, but my soft data is that generally, devices bra= nded as switches (including L3 switches) do not support it. Routers might.<= br>
/* Steinar */
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