From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x242.google.com (mail-wm0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EB183BA8D for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm0-x242.google.com with SMTP id u63so800565wmu.2 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:42:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=FRzsgMD5fn/fMYFIYb07HwYCp31Mt3L0Dg+ALeenE4c=; b=ozmmBWh5QU65md+OxpspjUgchZchujpLNSyMdi2oVTOzKjciJD5v8K29pQmrIsxare x/CvledaqiTyOjXzX5dFkqlfNq8sHh2YttsVpxNEWO5AGUDSlI8m1hvES+fuFNhu6UOS thhjJK3qhn0bGgHp+fSF7dmybAyoJYgO7bWvsQfgOC5Ee1TDOqoGqOTg2aSS2NsaOhLv UfLXSzMyh+sE5GAcfTjI7KdJL/sU3yKU8j8PZuziaJ7bgeVC47QjiYwT9E7pkcuT1t/M bUMUrl6+zV5poM8DjFyY5AOhullW3fRPaOZ8aSMeO0gKb2J3nTTckynDIn2rtqr5WoUF sTYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FRzsgMD5fn/fMYFIYb07HwYCp31Mt3L0Dg+ALeenE4c=; b=VNuqX9FWktCh2Wr9gY5P2+9PSkAj2AYfpUowXjoFNKSEeJn8wQyn4a4/39aOuHNcrJ m+rjsDIN5RnCMkwSBGaHitvBw2oHryNWrf7OfTLBkjXvW6/TiyVPQTh8RhQCMQik7vdr OgtELXzNof+QajOhkrb0Eq2M5JKfKlZyGt7sFIXZHrwF21c6lNVSwvq2wPmAvvoE9n8H fsFe6vPWCLRmAAqpQJfaXFYgB+bHCxY9M612U5HmUsn4k1PULtK1KkfyjcmTaj/PuBQG X117ajGeN3PZRnfWMarbd/76FlV6VdbD/FfJhsp+1kiNGX8bh73LcJ7bpckN4mQLW4is a7YA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJD0ljVwj4v1AXftEvtNB9NjaAi7e65Spx+vjYmt11Fr+VyvpHzZjZhNCJdbz613A/xOE816JHcbXJidQ== X-Received: by 10.28.0.2 with SMTP id 2mr20632757wma.141.1485895327513; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:42:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gettysjim@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.48.12 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:42:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jim Gettys Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:42:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ITDEwJ_sI-ls7wk7slpftMaDpY4 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Aaron Wood , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ca22e2b85fe054769f789 Subject: Re: [Bloat] I have a new record for bloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:42:08 -0000 --001a113ca22e2b85fe054769f789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Aaron Wood wrote: > > This is wifi tethering from my OSX laptop to my iPhone, right after the > > laptop tried to reconnect to the iphone after waking up. > > > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D56 time=3D42907.196 ms > > Not even close for the record as we got something like 800 seconds out > of gogo-in-flight. But as for wifi + tethering, you "win", I guess. > =E2=80=8BI measured GoGo a couple years ago at about 740 seconds(!). IIRC, we've seen some other cellular systems with bloat at >60 seconds. =E2=80=8BI don't understand what I'm seeing at the moment on my Pixel XL on T-Mobile (upstream). I need to retake the data and post it along with the qdisc structure on current Android, for people to mull over. - Jim =E2=80=8B > > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D56 time=3D41922.290 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D56 time=3D40971.714 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D56 time=3D39967.402 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D4 ttl=3D56 time=3D38964.115 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D5 ttl=3D56 time=3D37986.640 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D6 ttl=3D56 time=3D37026.309 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D7 ttl=3D56 time=3D36073.683 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D8 ttl=3D56 time=3D35075.141 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D17 ttl=3D56 time=3D26273.867 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D18 ttl=3D56 time=3D25268.726 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D19 ttl=3D56 time=3D24270.618 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D20 ttl=3D56 time=3D23269.550 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D21 ttl=3D56 time=3D22265.406 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D22 ttl=3D56 time=3D21264.648 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D23 ttl=3D56 time=3D20305.022 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D24 ttl=3D56 time=3D19316.740 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D26 ttl=3D56 time=3D17310.953 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D25 ttl=3D56 time=3D18316.163 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D27 ttl=3D56 time=3D16320.196 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D28 ttl=3D56 time=3D15409.592 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D29 ttl=3D56 time=3D14411.919 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D30 ttl=3D56 time=3D13505.362 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D31 ttl=3D56 time=3D12505.893 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D32 ttl=3D56 time=3D11502.744 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D33 ttl=3D56 time=3D10501.390 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D34 ttl=3D56 time=3D9560.551 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D35 ttl=3D56 time=3D8566.430 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D36 ttl=3D56 time=3D7570.286 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D37 ttl=3D56 time=3D6588.928 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D38 ttl=3D56 time=3D5643.342 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D39 ttl=3D56 time=3D4639.435 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D40 ttl=3D56 time=3D3722.169 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D41 ttl=3D56 time=3D2719.881 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D42 ttl=3D56 time=3D1806.913 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D43 ttl=3D56 time=3D1218.198 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D55 ttl=3D43 time=3D1030.052 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D56 ttl=3D43 time=3D638.601 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D57 ttl=3D43 time=3D216.295 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D58 ttl=3D43 time=3D200.674 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D59 ttl=3D43 time=3D797.261 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D60 ttl=3D43 time=3D992.238 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D61 ttl=3D43 time=3D1696.089 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D62 ttl=3D43 time=3D1139.896 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D63 ttl=3D43 time=3D588.823 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D64 ttl=3D43 time=3D663.070 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D65 ttl=3D43 time=3D782.507 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D66 ttl=3D43 time=3D426.705 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D67 ttl=3D43 time=3D220.192 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D68 ttl=3D43 time=3D228.405 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D69 ttl=3D43 time=3D130.555 ms > > 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D70 ttl=3D43 time=3D210.779 ms > > > > -Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > http://blog.cerowrt.org > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --001a113ca22e2b85fe054769f789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Ja= n 31, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wro= te:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017= at 12:02 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@g= mail.com> wrote:
> This is wifi tethering from my OSX laptop to my iPhone, right after th= e
> laptop tried to reconnect to the iphone after waking up.
>
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D56 time=3D42907.196 ms

Not even close for the record as we got something like 800 seconds o= ut
of gogo-in-flight. But as for wifi + tethering, you "win", I gues= s.

=E2=80=8BI measured GoGo a couple years= ago at about 740 seconds(!).

IIRC, we've se= en some other cellular systems with bloat at >60 seconds.
=E2=80= =8BI don't understand what I'm seeing at the moment on my Pixel XL = on T-Mobile (upstream).=C2=A0 I need to retake the data and post it along w= ith the qdisc structure on current Android, for people to mull over.
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Jim
=E2=80=8B

> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D56 time=3D41922.290 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D56 time=3D40971.714 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D56 time=3D39967.402 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D4 ttl=3D56 time=3D38964.115 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D5 ttl=3D56 time=3D37986.640 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D6 ttl=3D56 time=3D37026.309 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D7 ttl=3D56 time=3D36073.683 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D8 ttl=3D56 time=3D35075.141 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D17 ttl=3D56 time=3D26273.867 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D18 ttl=3D56 time=3D25268.726 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D19 ttl=3D56 time=3D24270.618 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D20 ttl=3D56 time=3D23269.550 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D21 ttl=3D56 time=3D22265.406 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D22 ttl=3D56 time=3D21264.648 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D23 ttl=3D56 time=3D20305.022 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D24 ttl=3D56 time=3D19316.740 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D26 ttl=3D56 time=3D17310.953 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D25 ttl=3D56 time=3D18316.163 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D27 ttl=3D56 time=3D16320.196 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D28 ttl=3D56 time=3D15409.592 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D29 ttl=3D56 time=3D14411.919 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D30 ttl=3D56 time=3D13505.362 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D31 ttl=3D56 time=3D12505.893 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D32 ttl=3D56 time=3D11502.744 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D33 ttl=3D56 time=3D10501.390 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D34 ttl=3D56 time=3D9560.551 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D35 ttl=3D56 time=3D8566.430 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D36 ttl=3D56 time=3D7570.286 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D37 ttl=3D56 time=3D6588.928 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D38 ttl=3D56 time=3D5643.342 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D39 ttl=3D56 time=3D4639.435 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D40 ttl=3D56 time=3D3722.169 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D41 ttl=3D56 time=3D2719.881 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D42 ttl=3D56 time=3D1806.913 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D43 ttl=3D56 time=3D1218.198 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D55 ttl=3D43 time=3D1030.052 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D56 ttl=3D43 time=3D638.601 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D57 ttl=3D43 time=3D216.295 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D58 ttl=3D43 time=3D200.674 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D59 ttl=3D43 time=3D797.261 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D60 ttl=3D43 time=3D992.238 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D61 ttl=3D43 time=3D1696.089 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D62 ttl=3D43 time=3D1139.896 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D63 ttl=3D43 time=3D588.823 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D64 ttl=3D43 time=3D663.070 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D65 ttl=3D43 time=3D782.507 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D66 ttl=3D43 time=3D426.705 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D67 ttl=3D43 time=3D220.192 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D68 ttl=3D43 time=3D228.405 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D69 ttl=3D43 time=3D130.555 ms
> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3D70 ttl=3D43 time=3D210.779 ms
>
> -Aaron
>
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