From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-x229.google.com (mail-qc0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11B0D21F14D for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c10so1762954qcz.14 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:47:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NjnttMKvIz21FGaCRFJ1iWuwVMx9zn4qf8yrr2bfgpo=; b=cPCYmlUTwS5btsdAlsvSM43kP0XB30WdGPkyB3rzy3z4Pybc1omWAcw15c3NkI/7Zr ToMMABHeYGnaiGaiVzQhfSpOHO6FSOKr3GEvAfrG9/GLAmMDr6Hvx+nmsA53ydGKPqu+ N/O9SiG9Zqrk9kpLEPA5fOFvipGB8+PSqqt4F/+jbqH2IU1WfMAx8r/eZAJ5sQtVE/k6 wb9JByc3N+KPa3wiBmkXTaOSe/+nP4bY5LP8NJzYDYkZ3JhdUf5Lw1WV8UnfkxoqcjHd Vwce3fLINqtB32ehUxru/emPiJXIgNhC20F0vNUfLTPapj0abmGRyIbpJD9DurNb9Ang 7a9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.58.68 with SMTP id f4mr4782391qch.66.1372463250969; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: gettysjim@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.75.65 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:47:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130628215451.7B40E406061@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> <51CE1970.8010606@callenish.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:47:30 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5pUYof7xGxjEBWxvIZJ5E1TTTAY Message-ID: From: Jim Gettys To: Dave Taht Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113306b08a9b2d04e03f8079 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Google's QUIC has reached NANOG X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:47:32 -0000 --001a113306b08a9b2d04e03f8079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a fan of minion, myself. (along with ccn, in the revolutionary category). http://csweb1.fandm.edu/jiyengar/papers/minion-pfldnet2010.pdf Jim On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > The design document is a very valuable read. Tons of good ideas in there.= .. > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRF= UoVD34/preview?sle=3Dtrue > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Bruce Atherton > wrote: > > On 28/06/2013 3:05 PM, Justin Andrusk wrote: > >> > >> > >> So am I the only one concerned that they are looking to use udp instea= d > of > >> tcp? > >> > >> > > > > It is an important part of the design. They want to multiplex streams > into a > > single connection, and ordered packets means one lost packet in one > stream > > holds up all the streams. Only way around that is with something other > than > > TCP right now. This is a major downside of multiplexing SPDY over using > > multiple connections, which I believe was one of the prime motivators t= o > > develop QUIC. > > > > In the FAQ, they mention that they are hoping once they get a good > design in > > QUIC some of its ideas can be moved into TCP. Someday. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > Dave T=E4ht > > Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: > http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --001a113306b08a9b2d04e03f8079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I&#= 39;m a fan of minion, myself. (along with ccn, in the revolutionary categor= y).

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Jim

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On Fri, = Jun 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> w= rote:
The design document is a very valuable read.= Tons of good ideas in there...

https://docs.google.c= om/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34/preview?sle=3Dtr= ue

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Bruce Atherton <bruce@callenish.com> wrote:
> On 28/06/2013 3:05 PM, Justin Andrusk wrote:
>>
>>
>> So am I the only one concerned that they are looking to use udp in= stead of
>> tcp?
>>
>>
>
> It is an important part of the design. They want to multiplex streams = into a
> single connection, and ordered packets means one lost packet in one st= ream
> holds up all the streams. Only way around that is with something other= than
> TCP right now. This is a major downside of multiplexing SPDY over usin= g
> multiple connections, which I believe was one of the prime motivators = to
> develop QUIC.
>
> In the FAQ, they mention that they are hoping once they get a good des= ign in
> QUIC some of its ideas can be moved into TCP. Someday.
>
>
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> Bloat mailing list
> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat= .net
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