From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ot0-x229.google.com (mail-ot0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A6CE3B2A4 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ot0-x229.google.com with SMTP id p3so8334945oti.5 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RPENk5h/vEkg16W48lS+h+dMS9W7UkzpUWjEVMO9mEM=; b=srJLnKDeHu/3uTLzPHYKp8/sI6OYV9a5NCEwP3hhTXojpdVTQQ3aCNFZCcsYE+Siw7 QnkInF803AIXFCABiO9Z6FjUFQ4A73mjyv62xaM1CCMCEZoqcOqP42XMnGVRhuTuvYe1 JrVBRRdCJD9yyCnuAimA7pyjt6d6Qk/ehiZH5N/2AfS7Dgm8XzQWJQIk6+K/tiGquINa XZFR1T/ractIyAxxfg9vbb0YnS1RMxgpGhuuAoCTKm9VmLz9HetCqKHT/zEFLwU2MO8V sZ1ZYIuncAnSy5om2aNNRKOmrrTY1k609VUVli/ZoVOhVoLTghYgH+swQ1TUUxzl/Svb TC6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RPENk5h/vEkg16W48lS+h+dMS9W7UkzpUWjEVMO9mEM=; b=ZGg7XEj/C4P+ryjRxtlLTX/lnCvzOhZkYOIT+sNJNd+nICiFaC24qQw8T3BxG+PIyT P56DET0dxNCZkfTEL3taknHDGyFMlrlxvP8DJbkeDWjvNxp3otZl044NDtuEiCMZ1lRI bkp29CoTFOp8TsJ4sRfK/XaBExWnY6wfC7avCD97XkgG0A9Taq4Zi9fWKwYfpSGxM7ZC fpYJUC4NCAaVa9h8Mh9hl1Y1y8b5BCWbjn5ANq2sseX/dnXHVqli2YoB4eZZgiLXxhkR c3IO6Nzxi+i/CE8Hnr3Olt1ThOylxUmJWsDSGD9Yeq2BPEc1IJQzV/L4mweLoNS6gUFX AANA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLloJH0fpNxbv+SvDvHcgUiBkeA+8zzO5JGypmvnX/3AaECQMcE Na2d64j0uErMiq4maWz4AX20kAb4sOgwYPRjrw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovqhrTrDhjAebAwqP6cvRCm0ZhcsEt79xgKdmQWIc01QL7ESUbHIPKM6GWhFi6w2ALXDQIol92Mt7WMW1qv6kA= X-Received: by 10.157.2.142 with SMTP id 14mr7641120otl.96.1513357605411; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Jesper Louis Andersen Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:06:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c09a8187d1ea1056064060e" Subject: Re: [Bloat] quic's spin bit proposal X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:06:46 -0000 --94eb2c09a8187d1ea1056064060e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 9:47 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > In a world where quic is 7% of all traffic presently (wow, I didn't > know)... > > BitTorrent's MicroTP (uTP) had about 15% at some point as well. This was especially scary as: * it used the then not-fully-understood LEDBAT congestion algorithm. * the de-facto implementation wasn't too well understood and there no competing implementations in order to understand interoperability. * there were no formal process when it was created. * for simplicty it dropped half-open connections. But implemented that in a slightly faulty way. I know, because I had an experiment where I did an Erlang-implementation of the protocol. At least QUIC seems to be getting some process now, which is good. --94eb2c09a8187d1ea1056064060e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 9:47 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

In a world where quic is 7% of all traffic presently (wow, I didn't kno= w)...


BitTorrent's MicroTP (uTP) had about 15= % at some point as well. This was especially scary as:

* it used the then not-ful= ly-understood LEDBAT congestion algorithm.
= * the de-facto implementation wasn't too well understood and there no c= ompeting implementations in order to understand interoperability.
* there were no formal process when it was created.<= /div>
* for simplicty it dropped half-open connec= tions. But implemented that in a slightly faulty way.

I know, because I had an ex= periment where I did an Erlang-implementation of the protocol.

At least QUIC seem= s to be getting some process now, which is good.
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