From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A96CF3B2A0 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 17:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id c78so187490253wme.0 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=niZWZ5325hKpQkOriUk5TbU8gRz9m56bK2k89Z6hNRs=; b=K84omKoXnFOtkhpWpmEoRyvo6msYTj7/d13ZBGKWcGTSQocmISYbdW1bvVmCMT8Gg1 SIVFVwx5yk6mA/HmzI9sfhhtcT+H0iHjKTIyMXvyD8x/TVxanuvDoXnSWQbayl+TWXwd FpU0eYAsMJLGngLPI6mdCYP8T7G1/kobOt3t7XSEtTRC4ALr/Wo4YQ8hfsEObRMOBc+R rDRXgnnIngvJouHoQjZyEbUU5k21Vz9t6/eUANaQVtr5azTkE8XQadniOI7AJ9Lcndqa ZNacqETOf0HGr/bXMhb0HzUzTZd7d33ZknsTN+E45943E8xV2i2DdGm/kqgtXvTuasjj VuEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=niZWZ5325hKpQkOriUk5TbU8gRz9m56bK2k89Z6hNRs=; b=OWZvPInjg7PqCt7b/MAJ/ZTOKmAWBMqjWefwzK5brBKo6CgPfZfFGrBuUP4xiaIm2O rHgCef9/SVGFwGA/rveTbK2C551hLkVR+59YZwtm0MFXsG16QA281vvO9G9Ik2iy2rRH tsObe5+xzt0zvtZQl/sXCvi7+rQ5E2gSuZDJ16EVW6dQph4tIWUNSn1oqgqMRw22Je37 i6HUSy9b5rqeoiUNZ+0m9yduYb3/nHUHg8MeKT7xNkgzxHZiRLaqUIyuXfgGze4DE+3p 56TxmWbI03vpcnhUVS9La1jbUEeHce3xbhXH82s1hFCZmtp6H44lKfVhdYglmB7N6+iE 482g== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvc6MV+UtydywFxeuf5Zpe14dQrVs9m/6ZkmL7s9vNLmo8SzpXJTmdaBinHkFsh0JgK+C1Z6o2JL6EMCBw== X-Received: by 10.28.184.21 with SMTP id i21mr4958108wmf.66.1477430415786; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:20:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: justinbeech@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.207.134 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:20:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9b8e527a07d9486e837584671a4cb598@PACDCEX43.cable.comcast.com> References: <9b8e527a07d9486e837584671a4cb598@PACDCEX43.cable.comcast.com> From: jb Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:20:14 +1100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1pNWgkx077_lYpSiofF9UjzwBIg Message-ID: To: "Klatsky, Carl" Cc: Benjamin Cronce , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148e1881d0b71053fb713bb Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:20:17 -0000 --001a1148e1881d0b71053fb713bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl, that run you linked to didn't have bloat high frequency option set. To set it, go to preferences, check the box in the advanced section, save, go BACK to preferences to make sure it is set. Then run a test. If it is set the bloat graph will not be one probe per second anymore. I did post a screenshot but the bloat mailing list doesn't like "large" 40k= b attachments lol. To answer the other question on duration - 30 seconds is the system imposed limit, you can set it to 30 if you have the patience. thanks -Justin On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Klatsky, Carl wrote: > Perhaps I am misunderstanding the different output between the =E2=80=98l= ow-res=E2=80=99 > and =E2=80=98high-res=E2=80=99 versions of the test. The link below was = from Corporate LAN > with the =E2=80=98hi-res=E2=80=99 preference set & saved. To me the outp= ut looks like > prior test run output. Maybe I have been seeing =E2=80=98hi-res=E2=80=99= output all along > and don=E2=80=99t have a comparison to =E2=80=98low-res=E2=80=99 output? > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/5440827 > > > > Regards, > > Carl Klatsky > > > > *From:* Bloat [mailto:bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] *On Behalf Of = * > jb > *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:10 PM > *To:* Benjamin Cronce > *Cc:* bloat > *Subject:* Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? > > > > You should not need to create new buttons, I set bloat high frequency as > an anonymous user in preferences, saved the prefs, ran the test - but as > http - and it worked. However bloat high frequency was auto-disabled for > https because I was unsure it was valid to do high frequency pinging over > SSL. > > > > Here is a result of turning it on: > > https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/5435977 > > you can see in the bloat graph, the difference in ping resolution. > > > > However the test duration is not changed, if you want to run for longer > > you should increase the duration parameters. > > > > I've disabled the disabling of bloat high frequency over https so give > > it another go. first, go to preferences and verify the checkbox is checke= d. > > then run it. Send me a link to the results if you don't see any differenc= e > > still. > > > > thanks > > -Justin > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Benjamin Cronce > wrote: > > WDM-PON, giving each customer their own lambda of bandwidth. Effectively = a > 1:1 split. > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Jonas M=C3=A5rtensson < > martensson.jonas@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Dave Taht wrote: > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/5408767 > > > What's the setup here? Someone has told me that Google Fiber is PON? So > there is an ONT at the customer prem which takes fiber and hands off some > kind of 1GBASE-T? What more? > > Just trying to figure out what device has ~13-15 megabyte buffer so it ca= n > induce 1200ms buffer lag at 1 gigabit/s. > > > > Of course I don't know the setup in this particular case but from what > I've heard, gfiber is mostly GPON with 1:16 splits. They have used > different ONT versions but the "current" generation seems to be a custom > ONT from an ODM: > > > > https://support.google.com/fiber/answer/6035992?hl=3Den&ref_topic=3D26674= 50 > > https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Google_Fiber_Jack_v2_(GFLT110) > > > > Also, this may be interesting: > > > > https://gfiber-review.googlesource.com/#/c/1232/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > --001a1148e1881d0b71053fb713bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Carl, that run you linked to didn't have bloat high fr= equency option set.
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To set it, go to preferences, chec= k the box in the advanced section, save, go BACK to preferences to make sur= e it is set. Then run a test.

If it is set the blo= at graph will not be one probe per second anymore.
I did post a s= creenshot but the bloat mailing list doesn't like "large" 40k= b
attachments lol.

To answer the other que= stion on duration - 30 seconds is the system imposed limit, you can set it = to 30 if you have the patience.

thanks
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-Justin

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Klatsky, Carl &l= t;Carl_Klatsk= y@comcast.com> wrote:

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the dif= ferent output between the =E2=80=98low-res=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98high-res= =E2=80=99 versions of the test.=C2=A0 The link below was from Corporate LAN= with the =E2=80=98hi-res=E2=80=99 preference set & saved.=C2=A0 To me the outpu= t looks like prior test run output.=C2=A0 Maybe I have been seeing =E2=80= =98hi-res=E2=80=99 output all along and don=E2=80=99t have a comparison to = =E2=80=98low-res=E2=80=99 output?

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http://www.dslreports.com/speedte= st/5440827

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Regards,

Carl Klatsky

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From: Bloat [mailto:bloat-bounces@list= s.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of jb
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:10 PM
To: Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber?

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You should not need to create new buttons, I set blo= at high frequency as an anonymous user in preferences, saved the prefs, ran= the test - but as http - and it worked. However bloat high frequency was a= uto-disabled for https because I was unsure it was valid to do high frequency pinging over SSL.

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Here is a result of turning it on:

you can see in the bloat graph, the difference in pi= ng resolution.

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However the test duration is not changed, if you wan= t to run for longer=C2=A0

you should increase the duration parameters.<= u>

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I've disabled the disabling of bloat high freque= ncy over https so give

it another go. first, go to preferences and verify t= he checkbox is checked.

then run it. Send me a link to the results if you do= n't see any difference

still.

=C2=A0

thanks

-Justin

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Benjamin Cronce <= ;bcronce@gmail.com> wrote:

WDM-PON, giving each customer their own lambda of ba= ndwidth. Effectively a 1:1 split.

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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson = <swmike@swm.pp.se<= /a>> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, = Dave Taht wrote:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/5408767<= u>


What's the setup here? Someone has told me that Google Fiber is PON? So= there is an ONT at the customer prem which takes fiber and hands off some = kind of 1GBASE-T? What more?

Just trying to figure out what device has ~13-15 megabyte buffer so it can = induce 1200ms buffer lag at 1 gigabit/s.

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Of course I don't know the setup in this particu= lar case but from what I've heard, gfiber is mostly GPON with 1:16 spli= ts. They have used different ONT versions but the "current" gener= ation seems to be a custom ONT from an ODM:

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Also, this may be interesting:

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