From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com (mail-ig0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91FEB21F11C for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igblo3 with SMTP id lo3so103659452igb.1 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=v8zk98BNydofnHZvxd6B0HnANY6Vhbgji9Jfay/OzMk=; b=zkpYURakgU0emqqBOZtgIBLdB8jV656HzjXjELyUvBiUzl6YpiXhrSnnObV8QVodKr Vt+jcGE3Jl93ZtdEo/Dyj2agwht86iBrloJ8lGNncN1RAsUdgi4jFVGZq4ACzyB/Mr9Z wdlk6y2w2/GtOG6eLlZR34HQF5HEzKgaWR+JIhb3C2VL8bf4xRUHykQB6BAXYIzOMs7A k5/XylNM3jGTrzBcvcnx0LPXGiyppr/06Mr8es8l/FQebEBwXul6ROi86SAk3TQnxOfq 0MiqQvzMm4YeUby6D8U+TAFpCtAgBT4Tknm3L/0SGxhuVfb4OZcZiplDmV0ZFhQDXT1e zaCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.9.67 with SMTP id j64mr25063068ioi.39.1430264014686; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: justinbeech@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.107.42 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:33:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 09:33:34 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GbLIDMS8lPV5DlsxKEBNSDkpVe8 Message-ID: From: jb To: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113df6d687d0ef0514d14a45 Subject: Re: [Bloat] extremely good dslreports result for bufferbloat on free.fr X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:34:03 -0000 --001a113df6d687d0ef0514d14a45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the tool were to list ISPs in descending order of a bloaty factor from best (like this one) http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/375736 to worst (like I don't know yet), what would be the ranking factor? Call B the "blue" series of latencies. Call G the "idle" series Call O the "orange" series What is fn1(fn2(B),fn2(G),fn2(O)) that generates an open-ended bloat factor, where 0 is no problem ? What is fn1() that takes a series of latencies and produces one latency? What is fn1() that takes three latencies, and produces a bloat factor? And then having obtained a "bloat factor" for one result, do you combine them using an average? Also should there be another input such as connection speed. Should higher speed lines be held to a higher standard? The "bloat factor" can be what is reported next to Ping on a test result. Should it be an infinite set of numbers from 0 .. infinity or should it be a grade A+ down to F ? (a grade would be more user-friendly). On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/ZytYb4ZkMdY > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --001a113df6d687d0ef0514d14a45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the tool were to list ISPs in descending order of a blo= aty factor from best (like this
one) =C2=A0 http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/375736<= /div>
to worst (like I don't know yet), what would be the ranking f= actor?

Call B the "blue" series of l= atencies.
Call G the "idle" series
Call O= the "orange" series

What is fn1(fn2(B),= fn2(G),fn2(O)) that generates an open-ended bloat factor, where 0 is no pro= blem ?
What is fn1() that takes a series of latencies and produce= s one latency?
What is fn1() that takes three latencies, and prod= uces a bloat factor?

And then having obtained a &q= uot;bloat factor" for one result, do you combine them using an average= ?

Also should there be another input such as conne= ction speed.
Should higher speed lines be held to a higher standa= rd?

The "bloat factor" can be what is re= ported next to Ping on a test result.
Should it be an infinite se= t of numbers from 0 .. infinity or should it be a grade=C2=A0
A+ = down to F ?
(a grade would be more user-friendly).

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015= at 12:48 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
https://plus.google.com= /u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/ZytYb4ZkMdY

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