From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ig0-x234.google.com (mail-ig0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7056221F284 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igbyr2 with SMTP id yr2so31113616igb.0 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QdXRkfuRjpP5g03u2C/EHZvYcv+uZ2HJ3raDzwEh1L0=; b=Kgus+iGJWUrHcVbBftVt3tMLW3g3nve79gAfOuC4upoi7FPOJNXZXfKdZtZRAcDYoc vsQkDbWehJopcFxQ0q6YUCjC5dfg2MGPXNJE5DxkSetws79vJPC8N3fXY1uFW1HSlb3Y ZH1XitSQULs0DtIv3i3RYZRLfCM6kW6EZDcBT990yK65Bw7lpzxoi60x7Y+FdAdgPgm2 qx9spWVv5Dj3Pc3TkfZqrXAsPKDpRBFcZazbaT5Gq42KldOuvBL/HuFuMshq6gebRCcL nzPBKzpSCm9X4DtRb/FgeXbLnV/tEhsjp5/7IXHsTXRWIqH9CvxnDseVizy9HuZAMYaI 0StQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.9.67 with SMTP id j64mr1773893ioi.39.1430449816181; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: justinbeech@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.107.42 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58258E43-953F-4A3B-ABC0-EA4193CC67C1@gmail.com> References: <87618e6gkm.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <58258E43-953F-4A3B-ABC0-EA4193CC67C1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 13:10:16 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TONBJ0V2pOex_MUBUZLkJh3RRDE Message-ID: From: jb To: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113df6d629a3430514fc8d8d Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] extremely good dslreports result for bufferbloat on free.fr X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 03:10:45 -0000 --001a113df6d629a3430514fc8d8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Already users are like "how can i fix this!". I've just replied to one who has lower speeds on the surfboard SB6141 which is a modem designed for crazy cable speeds. He has an "F" and his downstream bloat is terrible, and upstream not much better. I imagine a LOT of people on slower plans have a "recommended" modem like this one. However most of them will hear that the problems from bloat only happen when you reach maximum upload or download speed and will think, well, I can live with that, I never run my connection to capacity and I don't upload to offsite backups.. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Rich Brown wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:33 PM, jb wrote: > > ... > >> if it did get a rating it would be an "D" or "F".. > > > > How about "E" for error? That can be further explained in the text > > "Sometimes the bloat is so bad that we cannot adaquately test for it - > > and other times there is something else badly wrong with the link that > > we cannot identify." > > I would stay away from a letter grade for that state, since it could > appear to be on the continuum of A+, A, B, C, D, E (?) F... > > Better to give it a "-" or "?" mark. And if they hover over the "?", let > the text show: "Sometimes the bloat is so bad that we cannot adaquately > test for it - and other times there is something else badly wrong with the > link that we cannot identify." > > Rich --001a113df6d629a3430514fc8d8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Already users are like "how can i fix this!".
I've just replied to one who has lower speeds on the s= urfboard SB6141 which is a modem designed for crazy cable speeds. He has an= "F" and his downstream bloat is terrible, and upstream not much = better.

I imagine a LOT of people on slower plans = have a "recommended" modem like this one.

However most of them will hear that the problems from bloat only happen w= hen you reach maximum upload or download speed and will think, well, I can = live with that, I never run my connection to capacity and I don't uploa= d to offsite backups..

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Rich Brown <richb.= hanover@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:33 PM, jb <justin@dslr.net> wrote:
> ...
>> if it did get a rating it would be an "D&quo= t; or "F"..
>
> How about "E" for error? That can be further explained in th= e text
> "Sometimes the bloat is so bad that we cannot adaquately test for= it -
> and other times there is something else badly wrong with the link that=
> we cannot identify."

I would stay away from a letter grade for that state, since it could= appear to be on the continuum of A+, A, B, C, D, E (?) F...

Better to give it a "-" or "?" mark. And if they hover = over the "?", let the text show: "Sometimes the bloat is so = bad that we cannot adaquately test for it - and other times there is someth= ing else badly wrong with the link that we cannot identify."

Rich

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