From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ig0-x230.google.com (mail-ig0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7516021F2ED for ; Fri, 22 May 2015 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igbpi8 with SMTP id pi8so35211540igb.0 for ; Fri, 22 May 2015 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ACujV5A6hTvpvvaBswegGmZ43JbGEQCeu4R/ldkYpZM=; b=OsLFGDAMhJ6lqj6Kqs+HEnWeTQz6Nne0cwNjg+Q1Zk0ACTzZAvlLRQMFJE79+j9OTT KLXrnbHxPl+yWU08NmAam0kOn/RDZKRlBCXQIU5PyTpjFSYvrgJOfwLhtg1DflkxmD62 nk+Nubuiv9/owQLI1h8KxCd4woDfqgamrN4XJX3HaHMVi1VONPEIyzpHzSls1jKB3Kt6 WwGMXoxBzYX2AblMIqgNI7WwwaZE2HHUhf/W8cPmoiHntfLExiiGVdf0vXxRZBq2x2ll ntw59asNkQMg46ZVxlTl+cvhV2ZwxskYs0FeP6Y3uNc/lih3McsWUXv6qlQWwjJ5HFjb mmLQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.169.93 with SMTP id s90mr10500821ioe.83.1432299153597; Fri, 22 May 2015 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: justinbeech@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.107.42 with HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2015 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7A27A9AA-830A-4E3B-A7A9-C80E52F8DB1C@gmx.de> References: <58264BE0-CDBE-4739-B03D-4BAA20B13997@gmail.com> <8FFDE0DF-0F5A-4A3F-A47B-F8D59EEC7971@gmail.com> <7A27A9AA-830A-4E3B-A7A9-C80E52F8DB1C@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 22:52:33 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NaEnzrV3FPBp8RkflI-VvHP-XcQ Message-ID: From: jb To: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11421a1a434dcc0516ab2220 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] dslreports mockup X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:53:04 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:53:04 -0000 --001a11421a1a434dcc0516ab2220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, that's a good idea. the library makes it awkward to mix data in one drill down but I can mark the idle benchmark somehow, perhaps a green background strip. It does show bands in the initial view, but they are not visible if none of the three bars extends high enough. Since they are averages, and if you get grade A or A+ they don't tend to extend high enough to show even the yellow band. I guess I can see the next request: can the "uploading" and "download" un-exploded bars not be averages but be maximums.. or close to it ... ? On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi jb, > > this looks like a good way to allow easy comparison with the bars and > detailed information about the time course, I like it. > > On May 22, 2015, at 09:00 , jb wrote: > > > Well the dual Y-Axis thing didn't work. > > It would require removal of the color bands and looked confusing. > > > > So I've done a drill-down thing instead. You get just three bars, then > can > > drill into each by clicking, to see an expansion against its own Y-Axis. > > Hard to explain, easier to see: > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/525965 > > I wonder, would it be possible to also show the last (few) idle > data points from just before loading download and upload? That would allow > to easily assess how much the latency jumps under load in the drilled down > view. Also I think I would like to see the color bands in the bar plot as a > first indication whether I need to drill into the detail-views at all ;) > > Best Regards > Sebastian > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jonathan Morton > wrote: > > > > > On 22 May, 2015, at 03:17, jb wrote: > > > > > > Or I can just have two Y-Axis with auto-scaling on both. > > > > You could also try a square-root scale (as opposed to linear or > logarithmic). This should help with comparing data with different orders > of magnitude, without flattening things as aggressively as a log scale. > > > > But perhaps we should see what it looks like before committing to it. > > > > - Jonathan Morton > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > --001a11421a1a434dcc0516ab2220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, that's a good idea. the library makes it awkward = to mix data in one drill down but I can
mark the idle benchmark somehow= , perhaps a green background strip.

I= t does show bands in the initial view, but they are not visible if none of = the three bars
extends high enough. Since they are averages, and = if you get grade A or A+ they don't
tend to extend high enoug= h to show even the yellow band.

I guess I can see = the next request: can the "uploading" and "download" un= -exploded
bars not be averages but be maximums.. or close to it .= .. ?

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Sebastian Moeller <= span dir=3D"ltr"><m= oeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi j= b,

this looks like a good way to allow easy comparison with the bars and detai= led information about the time course, I like it.

On May 22, 2015, at 09:00 , jb <justi= n@dslr.net> wrote:

> Well the dual Y-Axis thing didn't work.
> It would require removal of the color bands and looked confusing.
>
> So I've done a drill-down thing instead. You get just three bars, = then can
> drill into each by clicking, to see an expansion against its own Y-Axi= s.
> Hard to explain, easier to see:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/525965

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I wonder, would it be possible to also s= how the last (few) idle data points from just before loading download and u= pload? That would allow to easily assess how much the latency jumps under l= oad in the drilled down view. Also I think I would like to see the color ba= nds in the bar plot as a first indication whether I need to drill into the = detail-views at all ;)

Best Regards
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = Sebastian

>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 22 May, 2015, at 03:17, jb <justin@dslr.net> wrote:
> >
> > Or I can just have two Y-Axis with auto-scaling on both.
>
> You could also try a square-root scale (as opposed to linear or logari= thmic).=C2=A0 This should help with comparing data with different orders of= magnitude, without flattening things as aggressively as a log scale.
>
> But perhaps we should see what it looks like before committing to it.<= br> >
>=C2=A0 - Jonathan Morton
>
>
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