It makes sense. Or I can just have two Y-Axis with auto-scaling on both. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: > > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Rich Brown > wrote: > >> Ahah! I wasn't clear. I do want One Grade to Rule Them All... >> >> But I was only talking about different Y-axis values on the latency >> charts, so that a bad latency in one direction doesn't hide the details of >> the transfer in the other. >> >> > ​Ah, yes. That makes sense. > - Jim > ​ > > >> Rich >> >> On May 21, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: >> >> Providing separate grades for upload and download does not make sense to >> me, as interference with acks in the other direction badly hurts that >> traffic. Uploads and downloads are *not* independent variables. >> >> KISS: one grade.... >> - Jim >> >> >> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Rich Brown >> wrote: >> >>> That is interesting. I'm trying to think how the latency charts could be >>> misconstrued, since a Y-axis on the right isn't the norm - I don't think >>> it's hard to understand, but just different. >>> >>> The display as-is clearly shows that the download is badly bloated, but >>> the upload is fine. That's the important message for most people at home. >>> But as a researcher, you want to understand the details of the upload. So >>> having different scales would help you see better into the problem. >>> >>> * If the download and upload values are substantially similar, the left >>> and right Y-axis scales should be the same, so there wouldn't be confusion >>> >>> * If the values are substantially different (as in this screen shot), >>> the pink and yellow backgrounds (on the left) and the lack of them on the >>> right would provide a solid cue that there is something different going on >>> between the two charts. >>> >>> * On the other hand, the report already shows different Y-axis values >>> for the down/upload speeds, so the latency charts could mimic the speeds... >>> >>> Other thoughts? >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>> > I wanted to be able to have separated charts for up and down on >>> > different scales, so I took apart what exists today in gimp and got >>> > this: >>> > >>> > http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~d/dslreportsmockup.png >>> > >>> > I guess it is partially because I am getting a C on the download at >>> > this speed, and no A+ on the upload, and I would at least like to get >>> > a gold star from teacher for effort. :/ >>> > >>> > I dunno how to fix the download short of getting rid of several >>> > seconds of inherent buffering in their CMTS. There must be a simple >>> > way to do that?? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dave Täht >>> > Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** >>> > >>> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67 >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Bloat mailing list >>> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bloat mailing list >>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >