From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE14221F294 for ; Fri, 22 May 2015 18:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iesa3 with SMTP id a3so42877674ies.2 for ; Fri, 22 May 2015 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:cc:content-type; bh=Gvz7YjgOv9Qi44qH7J7c3CoYzZgRcOJsEA14wcHiIuo=; b=pjht97s3K5G3iSRlQ2qHfxcc7VcejQYCv0cRTvU+TLLoocm5nQM3ruiFkXNqEGUYC6 SATEu0Pa/bvMubQ64cP69JzcTxQTEK5hNuKosML1LExLOIibLN8caRI4Jm8usU0rXxYS 5qe8ey4zCTtkEH/MKVf8U9WcrpSzAMzLMHCheQAHm0g5WR1C91ezqZOcxFYmHapawr3d QKDueAFwOSCn2rbJxs7/ou8aVnvahVCVEqcjh2/m6a4ANYs4gXeMOA1aODsHSWIhI6iC 6ZBy56CJ9UP2PrZqNchvxCuc0pzq0SOnxlzHJbhY+SRZeb/Uiyth++8jCYdxoJoVwiaI HyqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.19.104 with SMTP id b101mr8998711ioj.39.1432346177741; Fri, 22 May 2015 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: justinbeech@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.107.42 with HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2015 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <58264BE0-CDBE-4739-B03D-4BAA20B13997@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 11:56:17 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jr11z7UQzhtzVUXEuRpwVIhOv90 Message-ID: From: jb Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f6dd21eab210516b615d3 Subject: Re: [Bloat] dslreports mockup X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:56:48 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:56:48 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:56:48 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:56:48 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:56:48 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:56:48 -0000 --001a113f6dd21eab210516b615d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I can add error bars to the combined columns. I think that will help. On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM, David Lang wrote: > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Jim Gettys wrote: > > Providing separate grades for upload and download does not make sense to >> me, as interference with acks in the other direction badly hurts that >> traffic. Uploads and downloads are *not* independent variables. >> >> KISS: one grade.... >> - Jim >> > > yes and no. > > If I am getting a bad grade, will replacing my local router help? or is > all the problem on the ISPs equipment? > > having upload getting an A+ due to running good, debloated systems > locally, but the download getting a F due to the ISP buffering would be > meaningful. > > David Lang > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > --001a113f6dd21eab210516b615d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can add error bars to the combined columns. I think that= will help.

= On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wr= ote:
On Thu, 21 May 2015= , Jim Gettys wrote:

Providing separate grades for upload and download does not make sense to me, as interference with acks in the other direction badly hurts that
traffic. Uploads and downloads are *not* independent variables.

KISS: one grade....
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Jim

 yes and no.

If I am getting a bad grade, will replacing my local router help? or is all= the problem on the ISPs equipment?

having upload getting an A+ due to running good, debloated systems locally,= but the download getting a F due to the ISP buffering would be meaningful.=

David Lang
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