From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com (mail-wm1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E7573CB38 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id t14-20020a05600c198eb029020c8aac53d4so1153703wmq.1 for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 16:21:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vFquHoA9DGC3NvOh/ojgtCWMmMPrGz21rg859TliGZ4=; b=vaj5H6tTNus5AXuVlyH+Q4kskwSWP2/N0iRFHR04jDZMXxa1iNEkUhn+HD5iqCbaQ4 2ph1euvL2GxxT09nlI0C2ZMQNg+YJxZ/zqmHbXsUANqHayEbJumGeTy8PmExK7xvOTBk EHOQJVC46buzXi0qoyyTW4nsQeWl8h3TKbjqplSog37K/9Qm2W+o65o8cE1b/TZlDucs Ggc7chYHTn4NzqeicTZ8RwrBw3PzV13nT9kKK02Wut5Kp4oagSEwICezJPq6IntnuguD 1T+VlLRaKw67tEIt1e+PPXqXuM9oaZnVF/A2cacG6eRkWW/8/Wqdst0kiG6V7vTow9gr otmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vFquHoA9DGC3NvOh/ojgtCWMmMPrGz21rg859TliGZ4=; b=A4FXPSBM0jZ71n0VH6/snIN/y596tU27+WnLhORSLKwlX0exzSr7RFRP+uRnS+aUd4 0shN5w+IH4F5TmzYt7of+dzI09JVdGbKYfQm7pXlrHHQn4gZeW8wCpd3qEOu2NCKT8P1 I8fzGLcQGzqmXdH2EOsIzn87t6tsjVwE2cE3+VLqF2IuNBaIQBpJ/tg5Z5yFLVKFP0Wy foEVlr+6r+kC7OAS0tOxMx/265yg9lV05vtnI6xQ2wSu6Ym+t+KgQL+42fq3khTRLA88 JN7/jb7lfXetEZitsIXWqunS/jMfXHPu7Q0OXMW971iU6wv+5LukCs8FAwdK3MUshpkd oaow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533/T4ohBcn3JXYxZIvCibtSTUIk+T9fdnttTa/remBB0diT0+8B sOAPbycg1RYtPn8oLs2LA+AQc5pcD4dI6Wm/09GnfQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw0yrkSvM3JRJSucbwNGWT3wXn73ueHlrxSKFrug5qZdtnyq1YtIyAllMk89kPX2Eg3B4qCUJWwxEsZ+gaNcaU= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c247:: with SMTP id b7mr16934825wmj.44.1625527307807; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 16:21:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Matt Mathis Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:21:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton , Stuart Cheshire , Christoph Paasch Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c1eb4e05c66891f0" Subject: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 23:21:49 -0000 --000000000000c1eb4e05c66891f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The rounds based responsiveness metric is awesome! There are several slightly different versions, with slightly different properties.... I would like to write a little paper (probably for the IAB workshop), but don't want to short change anybody else's credit, or worse, scoop somebody else's work in progress. I don't really know if I am retracing somebody else's steps, or on a parallel but different path (more likely). I would be really sad to publish something and then find out later that I trashed some PhD students' thesis.... *Please let me know if you know of anybody else working in this space, of any publications that might be in progress or if people might be interested in another collaborator.* Thanks, --MM-- The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Alan Kay We must not tolerate intolerance; however our response must be carefully measured: too strong would be hypocritical and risks spiraling out of control; too weak risks being mistaken for tacit approval. --000000000000c1eb4e05c66891f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The rounds=C2=A0based responsiveness=C2=A0metric is a= wesome!=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are several slightly different versions, with sli= ghtly different properties....

I would like to wri= te a little paper (probably for the IAB workshop), but don't want to sh= ort change anybody else's credit, or worse, scoop somebody else's w= ork in progress.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't really=C2=A0know if I am retracing= somebody=C2=A0else's steps, or on a parallel but different path (more = likely).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I would be really sad to publish=C2=A0something and th= en find=C2=A0out later that I trashed some PhD students' thesis....

Please let me know if you know of anybody else wor= king in this space, of any publications=C2=A0that might be in progress or i= f people might be interested in another collaborator.

Thanks,
--MM--
The best way to predict the future is to create it= . =C2=A0- Alan Kay

We must not tolerate intolerance;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0however our response must be carefully = measured:=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 too str= ong would be hypocritical and risks spiraling out of control;
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 too weak risks being mistaken for ta= cit approval.
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