[Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[David Collier-Brown]

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I've invited readers to submit their own.  When we're ready, people with 
local credibility should post links everywhere.

I assume the FCC doesn't publish the comments as they arrive (Canada 
does, but gets behind due to manual moderation (:-))

--dave

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Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[Eric S. Raymond]

I meant everything I said in that comment - I don't think dtaht's worthy
effort rang the "national security" bell anywhere near hard enough, either
as a matter of substance or as a rhetorical move.

But I was also thinking tactically about how my comment would implicitly
reposition the others.  What I think I've done here is change the debate's
Overton window - extend the range of thinkable proposals - and thus made
the Taht/Cerf and Perens proposals look conservative and moderate.

dtaht, sorry about not being involved in the last day's editing but
I got to a point where I thought writing my own broadside would
actually help yours more than a bunch of minor revisions.
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		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[David Collier-Brown]

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Solandri wrote, at 
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8141531&cid=50686089
> So based on a few vague comments, I managed to track down what the 
> issue is since neither this nor the previous/. article nor the sites 
> opposed to it (who seem to want to portray it as a Big Evil Government 
> conspiracy to take away your freedom) delve into it.
>
> Several airports useTerminal Doppler Weather Radar 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar>[wikipedia.org] 
> for high-resolution maps of storms, rainfall, and most importantly 
> (for airports)microbursts 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microburst>[wikipedia.org]. TDWR 
> operates at frequencies from 5.60 - 5.64 GHz. That's smack dab in the 
> middle of the5 GHz band used by 802.11a, n, and ac 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.2Fac.29.5B16.5D>[wikipedia.org]. 
> You'll notice use of those specific frequencies (channels 120, 124, 
> 128) are prohibited in the U.S. and Canada for this reason.
>
> Based on that, it sounds like the issue is that you can buy a 5 GHz 
> device off the shelf, then hack the firmware to re-enable those 
> frequencies. And the FCC is proposing this action because people have 
> been doing exactly that and the FCC has received reports from the 
> airports of such interference on those frequencies.

If this is correct, it argues for various of our proposals and opens up 
some new questions...
- is it a vendor that's scewed it up?
- was there a bad DD-WRT athe solution is enforcement...  anyone
t any time?


--dave

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David Collier-Brown,         | Always do right. This will gratify
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Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[Matt Mathis]

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Perhaps redundant asserts() with explicit documentation would help.

A communication channel with the FAA and wardriving airports would also
help....

Thanks,
--MM--
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services to speak in defiance of unjust governments.   We treat privacy and
security as matters of life and death, because for some users, they are.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:18 AM, David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com>
wrote:

> Solandri wrote, at
> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8141531&cid=50686089
>
> So based on a few vague comments, I managed to track down what the issue
> is since neither this nor the previous/. article nor the sites opposed to
> it (who seem to want to portray it as a Big Evil Government conspiracy to
> take away your freedom) delve into it.
>
> Several airports use Terminal Doppler Weather Radar
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar> [
> wikipedia.org] for high-resolution maps of storms, rainfall, and most
> importantly (for airports) microbursts
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microburst>[wikipedia.org]. TDWR operates
> at frequencies from 5.60 - 5.64 GHz. That's smack dab in the middle of the
>  5 GHz band used by 802.11a, n, and ac
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.2Fac.29.5B16.5D>
> [wikipedia.org]. You'll notice use of those specific frequencies
> (channels 120, 124, 128) are prohibited in the U.S. and Canada for this
> reason.
>
> Based on that, it sounds like the issue is that you can buy a 5 GHz device
> off the shelf, then hack the firmware to re-enable those frequencies. And
> the FCC is proposing this action because people have been doing exactly
> that and the FCC has received reports from the airports of such
> interference on those frequencies.
>
>
> If this is correct, it argues for various of our proposals and opens up
> some new questions...
> - is it a vendor that's scewed it up?
> - was there a bad DD-WRT athe solution is enforcement...  anyone
> t any time?
>
>
> --dave
>
> --
> David Collier-Brown,         | Always do right. This will gratify
> System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the restdavecb@spamcop.net           |                      -- Mark Twain
>
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Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[Michael Richardson]

David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com> wrote:
    >     Based on that, it sounds like the issue is that you can buy a 5 GHz
    > device off the shelf, then hack the firmware to re-enable those
    > frequencies. And the FCC is proposing this action because people have
    > been doing exactly that and the FCC has received reports from the
    > airports of such interference on those frequencies.

I too would like like know more about these reports.
(would be funny if in fact it was screwed up *vendor* firmware?)

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Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[Dave Taht]

The *only* report of interference with radars I have been able to find
is a vaguely worded complaint in a 2011 document, where 40 reports of
interference were found, 25 at one airport in Puerto Rico.

The FCC has utterly failed to provide proof for it's argument, thus far.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>
> David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com> wrote:
>     >     Based on that, it sounds like the issue is that you can buy a 5 GHz
>     > device off the shelf, then hack the firmware to re-enable those
>     > frequencies. And the FCC is proposing this action because people have
>     > been doing exactly that and the FCC has received reports from the
>     > airports of such interference on those frequencies.
>
> I too would like like know more about these reports.
> (would be funny if in fact it was screwed up *vendor* firmware?)
>
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Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot

[David Collier-Brown]

[offtopic] And this kind of thing drives my paranoid friends *batty*.

--dave
I suspect none of them ever worked in a large enough organization
that it had lots of inertia...  which I've seen in a five-person team (;-))

On 08/10/15 03:36 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
> The *only* report of interference with radars I have been able to find
> is a vaguely worded complaint in a 2011 document, where 40 reports of
> interference were found, 25 at one airport in Puerto Rico.
>
> The FCC has utterly failed to provide proof for it's argument, thus far.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com> wrote:
>>      >     Based on that, it sounds like the issue is that you can buy a 5 GHz
>>      > device off the shelf, then hack the firmware to re-enable those
>>      > frequencies. And the FCC is proposing this action because people have
>>      > been doing exactly that and the FCC has received reports from the
>>      > airports of such interference on those frequencies.
>>
>> I too would like like know more about these reports.
>> (would be funny if in fact it was screwed up *vendor* firmware?)
>>
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>> ]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works        | network architect  [
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>>
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System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
davecb@spamcop.net           |                      -- Mark Twain