From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x233.google.com (mail-ob0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F02B21F38C for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obcxo2 with SMTP id xo2so79565793obc.0 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:48:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Jt/ZUBZY0tPqyo5T8Y9++omFKbWpFDxfgi4X7OrUemY=; b=n0FraSqFt3yzwZuH5cLTxikcWAkgx2eEnP17PPmWtbxgVQURKdMsIytAmd7NDK9PsP vXmFMwYLfO1aNm7oHcCxo1HNg0RP7mmbAXsM/DCXjCAuGGzo6M9tAkfpZ523QdH1i6HS 1DkykUbZcTrYiUfGDZuUP5qQ6S4K944n2lDaPUQEN862egZBaDUfP6JkPM4h0eCEK4HE qg4cBVViZnUjokKtS+eLEHBFfrmKHGO153nvlc+57aWpMyFWy4OMNjlJCVNcGrFY7YWy qakTj6HjoLcqA42O773+e1+uMq255cjZlPo/qLZrkLxfwq7+Pq7vdCxPXjtMkBUTqKFI OobA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Jt/ZUBZY0tPqyo5T8Y9++omFKbWpFDxfgi4X7OrUemY=; b=Mp/VbDkuaMUzQ42RWsxK922+67i6nSk64oPYUHAY+F3emaB1w9HX8nXAYiBIC+OQZP W2JebXoQpk/vAeOUSiRym1QZZRqYd8ihRzK+mXfwbAupfDtFkr/LD9oIF3CRCD1kcNKm X18wpyRG5gdDYRwU5bIcE4nc6szdHVe0+MmqkMT6bQiSh9wP/3KV4PoTVfXeumBp8MSZ SLMJrdo+tTafDtRdc0oahzFG4c6bcjJrYeg09hgAtaetOYVjitZfZlAxmwm1vTVTqUVb z8VdbCxfzoIN1Zzzr4RntqM1BBcmOJstR03vJ5p6X3LGmaRVm2vn5RrXuqZlctPLU2mx xtKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQneCppOBtL7K1Wo26FXnYRZIn55ezd8OcVCbbE4jfxmrsMlAA8tHm6EgUYSjxYfJTsDMNxK MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.46.138 with SMTP id u132mr62368014oiu.19.1426862916519; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.87.202 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:48:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <550C2B58.8020403@orange.com> References: <20150316203532.05BD21E2@taggart.lackof.org> <123130.1426635142@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <15A0911A-E3B7-440A-A26B-C5E1489EA98B@viagenie.ca> <1426773234.362612992@apps.rackspace.com> <1426796961.194223197@apps.rackspace.com> <550C2B58.8020403@orange.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:48:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Mathis To: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1137d44848736e0511b96989 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:49:07 -0000 --001a1137d44848736e0511b96989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Section 7.2 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-model-based-metrics-04 includes a bufferbloat test. It is however somewhat underspecified. Thanks, --MM-- The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Alan Kay Privacy matters! We know from recent events that people are using our services to speak in defiance of unjust governments. We treat privacy and security as matters of life and death, because for some users, they are. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:14 AM, MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN < luca.muscariello@orange.com> wrote: > FYI, we have this in France. > > http://www.arcep.fr/index.php?id=8571&tx_gsactualite_pi1[ > uid]=1701&tx_gsactualite_pi1[annee]=&tx_gsactualite_pi1[ > theme]=&tx_gsactualite_pi1[motscle]=&tx_gsactualite_pi1[backID]=26&cHash= > f558832b5af1b8e505a77860f9d555f5&L=1 > > ARCEP is the equivalent of FCC in France. > > User QoS is measured in the fixed access by third parties. > The tests they run can be ameliorated of course but the concept is right. > The data is then published periodically. > > Luca > > > On 03/20/2015 03:08 PM, David P. Reed wrote: > >> M-Lab is better by far. But control by Google automatically discredits >> it's data. As well as the claims by operators that measurements by >> independent parties violate their trade secrets. Winning that battle >> requires a group that can measure while supporting a very expensive defense >> against lawsuits by operators making such claim of trade secrecy. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --001a1137d44848736e0511b96989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Section 7.2 of =C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft= -ietf-ippm-model-based-metrics-04 includes a bufferbloat test.=C2=A0 It= is however somewhat underspecified.

Thanks,--MM--
The best way to predict the future is to create it. =C2=A0- Ala= n Kay

Privacy matters!=C2=A0 We know from recent events that people = are using our services to speak in defiance of unjust governments. =C2=A0 W= e treat privacy and security as matters of life and death, because for some= users, they are.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:14 AM, MUSCARIELLO= Luca IMT/OLN <luca.muscariello@orange.com> wrote:=
FYI, we have this in France.

h= ttp://www.arcep.fr/index.php?id=3D8571&tx_gsactualite_pi1[uid]=3D1701&tx_gsactualite_pi1[annee]=3D&tx_gsactualite_pi1= [theme]=3D&tx_gsactualite_pi1[motscle]=3D&tx_gsactual= ite_pi1[backID]=3D26&cHash=3Df558832b5af1b8e505a77860f9d5= 55f5&L=3D1

ARCEP is the equivalent of FCC in France.

User QoS is measured in the fixed access by third parties.
The tests they run can be ameliorated=C2=A0 of course but the concept is ri= ght.
The data is then published periodically.

Luca


On 03/20/2015 03:08 PM, David P. Reed wrote:
M-Lab is better by far. But control by Google automatically discredits it&#= 39;s data. As well as the claims by operators that measurements by independ= ent parties violate their trade secrets. Winning that battle requires a gro= up that can measure while supporting a very expensive defense against lawsu= its by operators making such claim of trade secrecy.

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