From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com (mail-lj1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 366223B2A4; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x229.google.com with SMTP id a3so6810227ljr.11; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 08:33:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681313603; x=1683905603; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=GUD1YISR4mi3fESzbglmdI2Ezk/Ktm7ioMq/+dab2lE=; b=KiMVOOpeBoEeRyb2pNY0MVKTmUE/cFe01Ni7lM2oEePA1mxu+OMmcyKb4J67fYRyaC XJ67xabtPO1qV6AX7NiesjxPpn+pEjG6M1rwXM6x2kqJr3vqK9myUhRQSqgNbrlaH921 CSZQmz2qRNyLCu+XkrdobelE5wpDKpi6RV5A5+3Gi5eAeMyJ33apKiXqusixXF1HXmzO Vwh9M+r03oJaBWQ+dfjaylNsfEX7hrGVMy4PTmg/1e1lBre26DOaoXUOJW4uTxyubaCg 9x4E1HFQLlHGnYiiqBsgml7U47LGW3ym56rgflkGXgknK0hjaR2jMog33rDmcSRlw+AK Wo1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681313603; x=1683905603; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=GUD1YISR4mi3fESzbglmdI2Ezk/Ktm7ioMq/+dab2lE=; b=g9UAe2G99ZZcQpnQy61ydRBqXK7nH3M1tJZR2cdZTzxrsD71k0JJbzU04CB6PVeLZN AfFjuByGojJ0qb1QOv9pwLKZgZy43tGVhbzL7V//TJjAYpYIHq2e8L9VsqyfuT7DTl9c yq6/0auK8G+LMurmQ2H+YnjuUSvzx9ybw7eM9w+YVqXoP7g6MoFS2HaEYXiRQlAfQqDP vlU8bxyLojJt2Gy+Uc16IprLHjXCZ+1rq5tqpZES02CiwG+g8FhPZU0vGlTCuNQMasPc LYhAZEmEP1fwgFAC2FA9hBjdduZNpgICjL/KC1TGHIoC65YKSUzSFiAGB2L2C9Nv/ikj 5ELw== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9dEFXPZ0KOMYfEGW7voeRaKf0vgEH2mjnDQXft1hOPun2GLTtMl lKxNjHcslIbjDa+OQUTOJNq9082mV88BBUKpHuM1urJc4l1XtA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350agci+zsQgXi9HcyJccl1kkEYuGfIra0iCz0uPTF2U33S1kGOjNcXh/uiXt/xwETZXNyiU4Rexqyk7uMAvvkCk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9603:0:b0:2a6:2ae3:ef02 with SMTP id v3-20020a2e9603000000b002a62ae3ef02mr837112ljh.4.1681313602080; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49312101.15660.0@wordpress.com> <5629B6A3-4959-40A2-B12D-ABF35CC015DF@pagcasa.org> In-Reply-To: From: Brian Munyao Longwe Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 17:33:10 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bloat , libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000002138a05f9255496" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:47:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] Fwd: [New post] More Mapping Drama X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:33:24 -0000 --00000000000002138a05f9255496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for sharing, Are you aware that after receiving ISOC training at the INET 99 networking workshop for developing countries in San Jose way back in 1999 - I went back to my (then) home country, Kenya, and built/started KIXP with assistance from Cisco and hands on support from Barry Raveendran Greene (formerly Cisco)? Thereafter and for next 8 odd years as GM for AfrISPA (African ISP Association) I turned up or helped turn up IXPs in about 12 other African countries - mostly funded under a project called =E2=80=9CCatalysing Access= to ICTs in Africa=E2=80=9D funded by UKs DFID, Canada=E2=80=99s IDRC and others. I even did a couple of trips with Bill Woodcock in Africa and Asia. Ta, Brian On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 4:28 PM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS < libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I would like to bring back the IXP concepts in the USA. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Jane Coffin > Date: Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:23=E2=80=AFAM > Subject: Re: [New post] More Mapping Drama > To: Garland McCoy > Cc: Dave Taht , National Broadband Mapping Coalition > , Bill Woodcock > > > Actually. Bill is one of the IXP masters, but.... > > ISOC has done a helluva lot of IXP build around the world, and I would > tip my hat to Michuki Mwangi (ISOC) and Nishal Goburdhan (PCH) along with > some folks at Netnod (Swedish exchange), and INEX (Irish exchange - used > those cats for training and they came up with the brilliant app - IXP > Manager). I also would tag Philip Smith (NSRC and father of BGP and LINX= ), > Christian O'Flaherty - one of my partners in crime on IXP build, Hisham > Ibrahim (formerly with AfriNIC and now with RIPE NCC), Jan Zorz (was with > ISOC now a v6 evangelist), Karen Rose (formerly with ISOC), Naveed Haq an= d > Aftab Siddiqui (of ISOC), Brent McIntosh (Grenada), and Bevil Wooding > (formerly with PCH and now with ARIN). I also would note the amazing wor= k > that the IXP Associations have done around the planet, and note the Peeri= ng > Forums - PIFs that ISOC with partners like PCH created around the world - > except for the US. AfPIF - the African Peering and Interconnection Forum > and CarPIF - the Caribbean Peering and Interconnection Forum, BKNIX, the > Bangkok Peering forum. One can't talk about IXPs without a nod to NOGs > (Network Operator Groups). The US had the first NOG - NANOG, and they ha= ve > taken off from there. ISOC uses NOGs, and PIFs, and IXPs, and the RIRs t= o > promote Mutually Agreed Norms for Routing Security (MANRS)...great > initiative and I would urge anyone looking at secure routing to chat with > them and the RIRs (RPKI etc). > > Note that ISOC is the only org that has put out multiple studies that sho= w > over time and via snapshots the importance of IXPs to build your local > Internet, increase resilience, allow for redundancy of nets at the local > level, and has tracked how much latency diminishes, performance increases= , > and how quickly prices drop. > > Big Telcos in the US nearly killed bottom-up carrier neutral IXPs. Thank > goodness for ISOC, the RIRs (LACNIC, AfriNIC, ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE NCC), > ICANN, IETF to a degree, NSRC, PCH, the NOGs, and the Peering Fora for > keeping network training, the importance of diverse peering ecosystems, a= nd > the IXPs that are making a resurgence in the US. > > It takes a village. A well-trained diverse village. > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:51=E2=80=AFAM Garland McCoy > wrote: > >> Dave, I am sure Jane would agree that THE global master IXP builder is >> Bill Woodcock and his colleagues at Packet Clearing House ( >> https://www.pch.net/) Bill has been doing this for decades (and decades >> and decades). I have cced him in so you can circle the wagons. If by any >> chance you want SECURE Edges as part of your IXP deployment you should l= ook >> up Onclave Networks (see link below) >> >> https://onclavenetworks.com/ >> >> >> >> On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Jane Coffin >> wrote: >> >> Dave - >> >> On IXPs - I can give you a lot of global examples. On the US - less so. >> One of the founders of SF-MIX is at Connect Humanity and is talking to s= ome >> folks about neutral/bottom-up IXPs - ISOC style, IFX, Euro-IX, Af-IX, >> LAC-IX, and AP-IX style. >> >> ISOC also has some excellent reports that show the impact of IXPs in >> countries - cheaper, better, faster local connectivity - and local >> resiliency and redundancy vs tromboning traffic that benefits >> transit/transport vs local fabric. >> >> Jane >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:08=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht = wrote: >> >>> While I frequently do not agree with doug=C2=B4s blog, he does make for >>> interesting reading, and oy! a bill to slow things down further... :( >>> >>> I am also curious as to the state of the cybergeography these days. >>> (anyone remember this old project? >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20060218123215/http://www.cybergeography.or= g/atlas/topology.html >>> ) >>> >>> I have been researching the state of the IXPs nowadays, and kind of >>> wondering if there was a noticeable difference in service quality betwe= en >>> cities with IXPs and those without. Anyone? >>> >>> >>> https://www.pch.net/ixp/summary_growth_by_country#!mt-sort=3Dixp_curren= t%2Cdesc!mt-pivot=3Dixp_current >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: POTs and PANs >>> Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 4:35=E2=80=AFAM >>> Subject: [New post] More Mapping Drama >>> To: >>> >>> >>> [image: Site logo image] Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting posted: "As if the >>> federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen (Dem-Nev= ada) >>> and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.1162 that woul= d >>> =E2=80=9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before funds are alloc= ated under >>> the Broadband Equity, " POTs and PANs M= ore >>> Mapping Drama >>> >>> >>> Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting >>> Apr 10 >>> >>> >>> As >>> if the federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen >>> (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.1= 162 >>> that would =E2=80=9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before fund= s are >>> allocated under the Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment Program ba= sed >>> on those maps=E2=80=9D. >>> >>> If this law is enacted, the distribution of most of the BEAD grant fund= s >>> to States would be delayed by at least six months, probably longer. The >>> NTIA has already said that it intends to announce the allocation of the >>> $42.5 billion in grants to the states on June 30. The funds are suppose= d to >>> be allocated using the best count of unserved and underserved locations= in >>> each state on that date. Unserved locations are those that can=E2=80=99= t buy >>> broadband of at least 25/3 Mbps. Underserved locations are those unable= to >>> buy broadband with speeds of at least 100/20 Mbps. >>> >>> To add to the story, FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel recently >>> announced that the FCC has largely completed the broadband map updates. >>> That announcement surprised the folks in the industry who have been wor= king >>> with the map data, since everybody I talk to is still seeing a lot of >>> inaccuracies in the maps. >>> >>> To the FCC=E2=80=99s credit, its vendor CostQuest has been processing t= housands >>> of individual challenges to the maps daily and has addressed 600 bulk >>> challenges that have been filed by States, counties, and other local >>> government entities. In making the announcement, Rosenworcel said that = the >>> new map has added over one million new locations to the broadband map = =E2=80=93 >>> homes and businesses that were missed in the creation of the first vers= ion >>> of the map last fall. >>> >>> But the FCC map has two important components that must be correct for >>> the overall maps to be correct. The first is the mapping fabric that is >>> supposed to identify every location in the country that is a potential >>> broadband customer. I view this as a nearly impossible task. The US Cen= sus >>> spends many billions every ten years to identify the addresses of resid= ents >>> and businesses in the country. CostQuest tried to duplicate the same th= ing >>> on a much smaller budget and with the time pressure of the maps being u= sed >>> to allocate these grants. It=E2=80=99s challenging to count potential b= roadband >>> customers. I wrote a blog last year >>> that >>> outlined a few of the dozens of issues that must be addressed to get an >>> accurate map. It=E2=80=99s hard to think that CostQuest somehow figured= out all of >>> these complicated questions in the last six months. >>> >>> Even if the fabric is much improved, the more important issue is that >>> the accuracy of the broadband map is reliant on two issues that are >>> reported by ISPs =E2=80=93 the coverage area where an ISP should be abl= e to connect >>> a new customer within ten days of a request, and the broadband speeds t= hat >>> are available to a home or business at each location. >>> >>> ISPs are pretty much free to claim whatever they want. While there has >>> been a lot of work done to challenge the fabric and the location of >>> possible customers =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a lot harder to challenge the= coverage claims of >>> specific ISPs. A true challenge would require many millions of individu= al >>> challenges about the broadband that is available at each home. >>> >>> Just consider my own home. The national broadband map says there are te= n >>> ISPs available at my address. Several I=E2=80=99ve never heard of, and = I=E2=80=99m willing >>> to bet that at least a few of them can=E2=80=99t serve me =E2=80=93 but= since I=E2=80=99m already >>> buying broadband from an ISP, I can=E2=80=99t think of any reason that = would lead >>> me to challenge the claims of the ISPs I=E2=80=99m not using. The FCC t= hinks that >>> the challenge process will somehow fix the coverage issue =E2=80=93 I c= an=E2=80=99t imagine >>> that more than a tiny fraction of folks are ever going to care enough t= o go >>> through the FCC map challenge process =E2=80=93 or even know that the b= roadband map >>> exists. >>> >>> The FCC mapping has also not yet figured out how to come to grips with >>> broadband coverage claimed by wireless ISPs. It=E2=80=99s not hard look= ing through >>> the FCC data to find numerous WISPs that claim large coverage areas. In >>> real life, the availability of a wireless connection is complicated. Th= e >>> FCC reporting is in the process of requiring wireless carriers to repor= t >>> using a =E2=80=98heat map=E2=80=99 that shows the strength of the wirel= ess signal at >>> various distances from each individual radio. But even these heat maps >>> won=E2=80=99t tell the full story. WISPs are sometimes able to find way= s to serve >>> customers that are not within easy reach of a tower. But just like with >>> cellphone coverage, there are usually plenty of dead zones around a rad= io >>> that can=E2=80=99t be reached but that will still be claimed on a heat = map - heat >>> maps are nothing more than a rough approximation of actual coverage. It= =E2=80=99s >>> hard to imagine that wireless coverage areas will ever be fully accurat= e. >>> >>> DSL coverage over telephone copper is equally impossible to map >>> correctly, and there are still places where DSL is claimed but which ca= n't >>> be served. >>> >>> Broadband speeds are even harder to challenge. Under the FCC mapping >>> rules, ISPs are allowed to claim marketing speeds. If an ISP markets >>> broadband as capable of 100/20 Mbps, they can claim that speed on the >>> broadband map. It doesn=E2=80=99t matter if the actual broadband delive= red is only >>> a fraction of that speed. There are so many factors that affect broadba= nd >>> speeds that the maps will never accurately depict the speeds folks can >>> really buy. It=E2=80=99s amazingly disingenuous for the FCC to say the = maps are >>> accurate. The best we could ever hope for is that the maps will be bett= er >>> if, and only if ISPs scrupulously follow the reporting rules =E2=80=93 = but nobody >>> thinks that is going to happen. >>> >>> I understand the frustration of the Senators who are suggesting this >>> legislation. But I also think that we=E2=80=99ll never get an accurate = set of maps. >>> Don=E2=80=99t forget that Congress created the requirement to use the m= aps to >>> allocate the BEAD grant dollars. Grant funding could have been done in >>> other ways that didn't relay on the maps. I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2= =80=99s going to make >>> much difference if we delay six months, a year, or four years =E2=80=93= the maps >>> are going to remain consistently inconsistent. >>> Comment >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Unsubscribe >>> >>> to no longer receive posts from POTs and PANs. >>> Change your email settings at manage subscriptions. >>> >>> Trouble clicking? 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Thanks for sharing,

Are you aware that after receiving ISOC training at the INET = 99 networking workshop for developing countries in San Jose way back in 199= 9 - I went back to my (then) home country, Kenya, and built/started KIXP wi= th assistance from Cisco and hands on support from Barry Raveendran Greene = (formerly Cisco)?

Therea= fter and for next 8 odd years as GM for AfrISPA (African ISP Association) I= turned up or helped turn up IXPs in about 12 other African countries - mos= tly funded under a project called =E2=80=9CCatalysing Access to ICTs in Afr= ica=E2=80=9D funded by UKs DFID, Canada=E2=80=99s IDRC and others.

I even did a couple of trips wit= h Bill Woodcock in Africa and Asia.

Ta,

Brian

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 4:28 PM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> = wrote:
I would lik= e to bring back the IXP concepts in the USA.

---------- Forwarded message ----= -----
From: Jane Coffin<= /strong> <jane@connecthumanity.fund>
Dat= e: Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:23=E2=80=AFAM
Subject: Re: [New post] More Ma= pping Drama
To: Garland McCoy <garland.mccoy@pagcasa.org>
Cc: Dave Taht= <dave.taht@gma= il.com>, National Broadband Mapping Coalition <bbcoalition@marconisociet= y.org>, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net>


Actually.=C2=A0 Bill is one of the IXP masters, but....
=
=C2=A0ISOC has done a helluva lot of IXP build around the wo= rld, and I would tip my hat to Michuki Mwangi (ISOC) and Nishal Goburdhan (= PCH) along with some folks at Netnod (Swedish exchange), and INEX (Irish ex= change - used those cats for training and they came up with the brilliant a= pp - IXP Manager).=C2=A0 I also would tag Philip Smith (NSRC and father of = BGP and LINX), Christian O'Flaherty - one of my partners in crime on IX= P build, Hisham Ibrahim (formerly with AfriNIC and now with RIPE NCC), Jan = Zorz (was with ISOC now a v6 evangelist), Karen Rose (formerly with ISOC), = Naveed Haq and Aftab Siddiqui (of ISOC), Brent McIntosh (Grenada), and Bevi= l Wooding (formerly with PCH and now with ARIN).=C2=A0 I also would note th= e amazing work that the IXP Associations have done around the planet, and n= ote the Peering Forums - PIFs that ISOC with partners like PCH created arou= nd the world - except for the US.=C2=A0 AfPIF - the African Peering and Int= erconnection Forum and CarPIF - the Caribbean Peering and Interconnection F= orum, BKNIX, the Bangkok Peering forum.=C2=A0 One can't talk about IXPs= without a nod to NOGs (Network Operator Groups).=C2=A0 The US had the firs= t NOG - NANOG, and they have taken off from there.=C2=A0 ISOC uses NOGs, an= d PIFs, and IXPs, and the RIRs to promote Mutually Agreed Norms for Routing= Security (MANRS)...great initiative and I would urge anyone looking at sec= ure routing to chat with them and the RIRs (RPKI etc).

=
Note that ISOC is the only org that has put out multiple studies that = show over time and via snapshots the importance of IXPs to build your local= Internet, increase resilience, allow for redundancy of nets at the local l= evel, and has tracked how much latency diminishes, performance increases, a= nd how quickly prices drop.

Big Telcos in the US n= early killed bottom-up carrier neutral IXPs.=C2=A0 Thank goodness for ISOC,= the RIRs (LACNIC, AfriNIC, ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE NCC), ICANN, IETF to a de= gree, NSRC, PCH, the NOGs, and the Peering Fora for keeping network trainin= g, the importance of diverse peering ecosystems, and the IXPs that are maki= ng a resurgence in the US.

It takes a village.=C2= =A0 A well-trained diverse village.=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:51= =E2=80=AFAM Garland McCoy <garland.mccoy@pagcasa.org> wrote:
=C2=A0Dave, I am sure = Jane would agree that THE global master IXP builder is Bill Woodcock and hi= s colleagues at Packet Clearing House (https://www.pch.net/) Bill has been doing this for decad= es (and decades and decades). I have cced him in so you can circle the wago= ns. If by any chance you want SECURE Edges as part of your IXP deployment y= ou should look up Onclave Networks (see link below)




On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Jane Coffin <jane@= connecthumanity.fund> wrote:

Dave -
<= br>
On IXPs - I can give you a lot of global examples.=C2=A0 On t= he US - less so.=C2=A0 One of the founders of SF-MIX is at Connect Humanity= and is talking to some folks about neutral/bottom-up IXPs - ISOC style, IF= X, Euro-IX, Af-IX, LAC-IX, and AP-IX style.

ISOC a= lso has some excellent reports that show the impact of IXPs in countries=C2= =A0- cheaper, better, faster local connectivity - and local resiliency and = redundancy vs tromboning traffic that benefits transit/transport vs local f= abric.

Jane

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:08=E2= =80=AFAM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
While I frequently do not agree wi= th doug=C2=B4s blog, he does make for interesting reading, and oy! a bill t= o slow things down further... :(

I am also curious as to= the state of the cybergeography these days. (anyone remember this old proj= ect?

I have been researching the = state of the IXPs nowadays, and kind of wondering if there was a noticeable= =C2=A0difference in service quality between=C2=A0
cities with IXP= s and those without. Anyone?

https://www.pch.net/ixp/summary_growth= _by_country#!mt-sort=3Dixp_current%2Cdesc!mt-pivot=3Dixp_current





---------- Forwarded mes= sage ---------
From: POT= s and PANs <donotreply@wordpress.com>
Da= te: Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 4:35=E2=80=AFAM
Subject: [New post] More Mappin= g Drama
To: <dave.taht@gmail.com>


3D"Site Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting posted: "As if the federal= mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen (Dem-Nevada) and Jo= hn Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.1162 that would =E2=80= =9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before funds are allocated under= the Broadband Equity, " =09 =09 POTs and = PANs

More Mapping Drama

Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting
Apr 10

3D""As if the federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Ros= en (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.11= 62 that would =E2=80=9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before funds= are allocated under the Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment Program b= ased on those maps=E2=80=9D.

If thi= s law is enacted, the distribution of most of the BEAD grant funds to State= s would be delayed by at least six months, probably longer. The NTIA has al= ready said that it intends to announce the allocation of the $42.5 billion = in grants to the states on June 30. The funds are supposed to be allocated = using the best count of unserved and underserved locations in each state on= that date. Unserved locations are those that can=E2=80=99t buy broadband o= f at least 25/3 Mbps. Underserved locations are those unable to buy broadba= nd with speeds of at least 100/20 Mbps.

To add to the story, FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel recently ann= ounced that the FCC has largely completed the broadband map updates. That a= nnouncement surprised the folks in the industry who have been working with = the map data, since everybody I talk to is still seeing a lot of inaccuraci= es in the maps.

To the FCC=E2=80=99= s credit, its vendor CostQuest has been processing thousands of individual = challenges to the maps daily and has addressed 600 bulk challenges that hav= e been filed by States, counties, and other local government entities. In m= aking the announcement, Rosenworcel said that the new map has added over on= e million new locations to the broadband map =E2=80=93 homes and businesses= that were missed in the creation of the first version of the map last fall= .

But the FCC map has two important= components that must be correct for the overall maps to be correct. The fi= rst is the mapping fabric that is supposed to identify every location in th= e country that is a potential broadband customer. I view this as a nearly i= mpossible task. The US Census spends many billions every ten years to ident= ify the addresses of residents and businesses in the country. CostQuest tri= ed to duplicate the same thing on a much smaller budget and with the time p= ressure of the maps being used to allocate these grants. It=E2=80=99s chall= enging to count potential broadband customers. I wrote a blog last year that outlined a few of the dozens of issues that must be addressed to get= an accurate map. It=E2=80=99s hard to think that CostQuest somehow figured= out all of these complicated questions in the last six months.

Even if the fabric is much improved, the more = important issue is that the accuracy of the broadband map is reliant on two= issues that are reported by ISPs =E2=80=93 the coverage area where an ISP = should be able to connect a new customer within ten days of a request, and = the broadband speeds that are available to a home or business at each locat= ion.

ISPs are pretty much free to c= laim whatever they want. While there has been a lot of work done to challen= ge the fabric and the location of possible customers =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s= a lot harder to challenge the coverage claims of specific ISPs. A true cha= llenge would require many millions of individual challenges about the broad= band that is available at each home.

The FCC mapping has a= lso not yet figured out how to come to grips with broadband coverage claime= d by wireless ISPs. It=E2=80=99s not hard looking through the FCC data to f= ind numerous WISPs that claim large coverage areas. In real life, the avail= ability of a wireless connection is complicated. The FCC reporting is in th= e process of requiring wireless carriers to report using a =E2=80=98heat ma= p=E2=80=99 that shows the strength of the wireless signal at various distan= ces from each individual radio. But even these heat maps won=E2=80=99t tell= the full story. WISPs are sometimes able to find ways to serve customers t= hat are not within easy reach of a tower. But just like with cellphone cove= rage, there are usually plenty of dead zones around a radio that can=E2=80= =99t be reached but that will still be claimed on a heat map - heat maps ar= e nothing more than a rough approximation of actual coverage. It=E2=80=99s = hard to imagine that wireless coverage areas will ever be fully accurate.

DSL coverage over telephone copper i= s equally impossible to map correctly, and there are still places where DSL= is claimed but which can't be served.

Broadband speeds are even harder to challenge. Under the FCC mappin= g rules, ISPs are allowed to claim marketing speeds. If an ISP markets broa= dband as capable of 100/20 Mbps, they can claim that speed on the broadband= map. It doesn=E2=80=99t matter if the actual broadband delivered is only a= fraction of that speed. There are so many factors that affect broadband sp= eeds that the maps will never accurately depict the speeds folks can really= buy. It=E2=80=99s amazingly disingenuous for the FCC to say the maps are a= ccurate. The best we could ever hope for is that the maps will be better if= , and only if ISPs scrupulously follow the reporting rules =E2=80=93 but no= body thinks that is going to happen.
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