From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x62f.google.com (mail-ej1-x62f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D6F33B29D for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 23:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62f.google.com with SMTP id lg14so845300ejb.9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 20:47:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vS3TIV6uOskzay2mqGDbIgxFZI2mshbXSBp8ZEqCdMk=; b=FKm/odu5cOhbILeNeBYHSjXBja+EEtDqxMPYtxJau/BXEs9Bi5EQbQYnSX64lB2BUQ 1XA2AuF22kzXmj4JZ8pLH2w4RWCf1kqOCsuGOLe9QNLPIH0SHVTq0LTC6LBkBJoyqb+e 3huTFT7W3pPQsOemfcm7Irx5mmCVByXBvee4Y= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vS3TIV6uOskzay2mqGDbIgxFZI2mshbXSBp8ZEqCdMk=; b=ZTbin3K9F0LMGoseB+8z1qhu54+qreMZjcLomE8FOfaV7zBJWPkHpNhkyfddPr8q6K n3ZDkgKT9GTaMsczz1mr2EDoNQLIpCfUoyyymeLNgm6lLLBKSntxfydjDiAT2K00tHcW DGO8C5zENCKu9sH6AHtVoajeM7cAaYgSamAyi/P5/LzYE3YRBHc/8EDyxjKXQPv9J9eC +w8gcK5n+GiSiQcmtJcZhmSE+0B2n9XPdPYSCRLAQxzpSjcjzooH5oc/+4WsdVqnPSi4 QMY8bbWspTNAaJR1845pNLHFRWgpCSF1lloqmN5nXhcK42g37426PAdfhOnblfSKJYEJ 9dAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Qtj/0Mn9G3MciT82ztZVyRWTK+RRnKuM6lvP7qcYAdr7tloVl oQf1rG/vqW/bmGXBF7sabLij1wDI5HnOv+di2w4Wptf0oEroufjY1qF3gzx2Ioso/QbE19uMCeM HlARQzuendNbmNhGjTBqNFa4NX04Ixg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyeVBd4U+Szqbngh2LxALYXChoZdBt1iFl1uVIDYl5Lr7QV0/HHGpsJZNv3GyZ0LQQRpGm5DpxFi3Xiqmkr+jQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:600b:: with SMTP id o11mr46473066ejj.345.1620964067162; Thu, 13 May 2021 20:47:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <666B8455-7B26-4E89-A7F2-0279B4D67FCB@cable.comcast.com> <13254.1620835357@localhost> <28847.1620853812@localhost> In-Reply-To: <28847.1620853812@localhost> From: Bob McMahon Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 20:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="0000000000006fce1f05c2421bfb" Subject: Re: [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 03:47:48 -0000 --0000000000006fce1f05c2421bfb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006b0a0405c2421b2d" --0000000000006b0a0405c2421b2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" hmm, it seems kinda like the speed of causality applied to computers that share information in order to proceed Bob On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 2:10 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > Dave Taht wrote: > > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:02 AM Michael Richardson > > > wrote: > >> > >> The part I'd like to simplify is "latency".... Most people can > >> understand that the hot water tap doesn't produce hot water > instantly, > >> but I don't know how leverage that experience to networking > directly. > >> Idle and Working are good. > > > The demo I did in my broadcom preso ages back was the simplest I > could > > imagine, but not on the slides. ( > > http://www.taht.net/~d/broadcom_aug9_2018.pdf ) > > > I brought a coffee pot, a large carafe, two differently sized > funnels, > > an eye dropper, (and a towel!) > > Yes, that's a good demonstration for technical people. > I tried to do this at a LUG with audience involved theatre, but then you > did > it better at some Australian event. > > But, I'm looking for terminology that I can use with my mother-in-law. > (She's just signed up with a 802.11 based rural provider for her cottage > for > the summer. Made financially feasible only because they'll let her cancel > for 6 months when it's winter. I'm providing a modem. I suspect that the > bandwidth is not-constant, so I wonder what I'll tell sql scripts...) > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > -- This electronic communication and the information and any files transmitted with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, copying, distributing, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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hmm, it seems kinda like the spee= d of causality applied to computers that share information in order to = proceed

Bob

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 2:10 PM Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
=

Dave Taht <dave= .taht@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:02 AM Michael Richardson <<= a href=3D"mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca" target=3D"_blank">mcr@sandelman.ca&g= t;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> The part I'd like to simplify is "latency&q= uot;....=C2=A0 Most people can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> understand that the hot water tap doesn't produc= e hot water instantly,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> but I don't know how leverage that experience to= networking directly.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Idle and Working are good.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > The demo I did in my broadcom preso ages back was the si= mplest I could
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > imagine, but not on the slides. (
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > http://www.taht.net/~d/broadcom_aug9= _2018.pdf )

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I brought a coffee pot, a large carafe, two differently = sized funnels,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > an eye dropper, (and a towel!)

Yes, that's a good demonstration for technical people.
I tried to do this at a LUG with audience involved theatre, but then you di= d
it better at some Australian event.

But, I'm looking for terminology that I can use with my mother-in-law.<= br> (She's just signed up with a 802.11 based rural provider for her cottag= e for
the summer.=C2=A0 Made financially feasible only because they'll let he= r cancel
for 6 months when it's winter.=C2=A0 I'm providing a modem.=C2=A0 I= suspect that the
bandwidth is not-constant, so I wonder what I'll tell sql scripts...)
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]=C2=A0 =C2=A0Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IoT architect=C2=A0 =C2=A0[
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