From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A75E3CB39 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2021 16:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id i6so5253116edu.1 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hackaday-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8W88H7TWYnzmSP+ADpadXqcNOSWOYCWaGb3mqTMN+ho=; b=OFyn83ty2wyn6tdXKYFMhd4Rby1xPth4hzURUS9u0KkDtXJ0Gk928QDMur0oYDmC3j +fW4j7Na6VX5PvDILxs8cGCrnUUSq+lSntc1EnpBD9amhubyr0BUnWdZp4+6AEFWE9cp NZAauQPKBqzy7fA7dvfuJh/vb1xRzfqGcVr7r2bn8FtabMWd9dJ7+DxWtRiELBYvE6my pC4An+Hwd/tyVgqKmJOucAD9T3IQd1wREDaIVHAvCapLK5nCpnb7JQ8dQT+/F/Dt4u9n XMkRLW7X5cZ10IKmBuk0WnXfnHsCADxRNb0ALFQYkIRy1JVr3Mbnuri9ixUIffE7PS0y eLtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8W88H7TWYnzmSP+ADpadXqcNOSWOYCWaGb3mqTMN+ho=; b=QwFGU+DFGs9Jt5kZVg6310k3g4ZYr9aolg/vM5pF/2KdFTyKKSof/XhD6UqC3a89t9 rg2Iyys7ubFboNvRx9YoWlzQwE7BryWmGwjn1xA5BbT8iXBu9FCRFdZ0/Na6ipkx8T0k h/dDl4PduaR3yovPXxVNXmZhWoM/imu/jMGxAoi0k+bNLJRS9HjDbpoPMFjUEmMACOWJ mMra+27ZUY88qPvN/W7ECSK1nd8vpjpNSUxsNeO2vlZttM+A8t09QJYn7j/kGovQVH3g 5kbhVa3BQAU3KIgMhiqzHjNKwnuuq7ZyzJ6q/2vkjhl1IrOQhKc2V+Qd1bNH87Ikua22 lFUw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531jmGt9ie3ha9kiwrTOFAorxGkYgju5mSFI2/U6SFc1aoeLwiqK ejAC/PyJTe1xg1y658P+Pl95w6CVzJSdB20V1L9Ilw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8gr89mnFhKw5T9mAilF9UZ81eJPzhWmBLlDVk5+ryH7i3eMH2JfVSPfD/xTUM20CdXrcw+Yws3DcBbKQAFfA= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:c2c8:: with SMTP id m8mr1948207edp.50.1628109991333; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 13:46:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <058681B8-89EB-42ED-8E82-4048BA3C9504@cable.comcast.com> <649DC4B024D74B8BA6926ABFCD52DC79@SRA6> <5C65BC6E-1ABD-4432-B2CE-AC8BACDA363D@gmx.de> <87wnp1kqoj.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: From: Jonathan Bennett Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 15:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: Nathan Owens Cc: Jonathan Morton , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, Sebastian Moeller , Mikael Abrahamsson via Bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b0646605c8c1e5e9" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 11:10:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] Of interest: Comcast AQM Paper X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 20:46:32 -0000 --000000000000b0646605c8c1e5e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 3:18 PM Nathan Owens wrote: > Isn't that what CZnic has done with the Turris router? > > https://www.turris.com/en/mox/overview/ > > I hadn't seen the Mox, that is clever. The downside is the price, and that they're hard to get outside Europe. > On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jonathan Bennett < > jonathanbennett@hackaday.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> The Compute Module 4 exposes the same integrated Ethernet port, and a >>> PCIe lane in place of the USB 3 chipset (the latter being attached to >>> the former in the standard Pi 4B). This obviously allows attaching at >>> least one real GigE port (with a free choice of PCIe-based chipset) at >>> full line rate, without the intermediate step of USB. I think it >>> would be reasonable to include a small Ethernet switch downstream of >>> this, matching the connectivity of typical CPE on the LAN side. If a >>> PCIe switch is inserted, then a choice of Mini-PCIe Wifi cards can be >>> installed, with cables running to the normal array of external >>> antennae, sidestepping the problem of USB Wifi dongles. >>> >> >> I would hype the heck out of a router-style carrier board. I'd even buy >> a bunch myself, for that matter. I used to make good money by putting >> OpenWRT on cheap routers for small businesses. >> >> I've had good success chatting with Eben about Hackaday articles. If this >> were to become more than a pipe dream, we could reach out to him, to see if >> the Pi Foundation had any interest in backing a Pi router carrier board >> that beats bufferbloat. >> >> --Jonathan Bennett >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > --000000000000b0646605c8c1e5e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 3:18 PM Nathan= Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wro= te:
Isn't that what CZnic has done with the Turris router?

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I hadn't seen the Mox, that is clever. The downsid= e is the price, and that they're hard to get outside Europe.
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On Wed, = Aug 4, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jonathan Bennett <jonathanbennett@hackaday.com> wro= te:





The Compute Module 4 exposes the same integrated Ethernet port, and a
PCIe lane in place of the USB 3 chipset (the latter being attached to
the former in the standard Pi 4B).=C2=A0 This obviously allows attaching at=
least one real GigE port (with a free choice of PCIe-based chipset) at
full line rate, without the intermediate step of USB.=C2=A0 I think it
would be reasonable to include a small Ethernet switch downstream of
this, matching the connectivity of typical CPE on the LAN side.=C2=A0 If a<= br> PCIe switch is inserted, then a choice of Mini-PCIe Wifi cards can be
installed, with cables running to the normal array of external
antennae, sidestepping the problem of USB Wifi dongles.
=C2=A0
I would hype the heck out of a router-style carrier boar= d.=C2=A0 I'd even buy a bunch myself, for that matter. I used to make g= ood money by putting OpenWRT on cheap routers for small businesses.=C2=A0

I've had good success chatting with Eben about = Hackaday articles. If this were to become more than a pipe dream, we could = reach out to him, to see if the=C2=A0Pi Foundation had any interest in back= ing a Pi router carrier board that=C2=A0beats bufferbloat.

--Jonathan Bennett
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