From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34EA03CB35 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 04:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id d8so18194713qtm.0 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:25:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WnTkPiCuudNdSPPiDgEOf7QVs3GeUqkrnv3xOi7hkP8=; b=ot9t8mnVJvL+MuGDrZ4Rct7oLOblTNYwzOnoNSAd+tNtYCXNm4JP7dShwR2/9Bw6By Sse3ODiEKPaudW44TUEBlzGugD3emiyYaiYp2/++r8dVEjDu9bvP7i64qemyeTrD9YYm GgPkAL13sttQwSged1lTWPPdgWClP4EviSdAWeQbJ8nFx1rpvsloSjexXFuBMBOZQZyi bYkySJL5WZ9+j5vEiK2rLbgELXNqB7mQnYqI6X7b6k3aEku0tD50YvqcHSbGPknCox3f zCZR5xCc2ZH1+mERt+KZyvMol4Byq7jyTTkv+p0gxNvfQbSGrpQN9wJsMz8GnqJ/udOm qMNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WnTkPiCuudNdSPPiDgEOf7QVs3GeUqkrnv3xOi7hkP8=; b=sW+PKlLc32bhY6CfwOv338nz4Foz7kuFx/SL5M8cj9ljwFF9xOFijUCuXoCylI6uuZ JZsqegyIRriz3BHbLyNdJB+C9DUgvMLpCzjVaRAlQ3PAoSEsESkGwHRAinUmvaEt9FyY MJVUURiqx0rW8wwcITHHbopBa+mIHaJMDbLQ2uat2Roc1KAZYfBSWVFDDD/C+Zz2yrJb DHyudipf+nCzpbp1M2oJ9wtl9jdc6HW+Vo4tofmf7YTjZRk5S/4I2u7sbpFtXTfH3de1 ucu6bzTVU0Vtnmb2nJ43D3hFPKMrmB/iW2TuH9/4ubMtLA2qOmhDlOBvbj4AnCsn9hel fwfg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDiiBW0B7f8W67b63/e+y619BCZBZItqC1RN9+GDwrMgMErvn6j cTvHMulbixWnRn/AYmWboZyZBT11rOioY8lHMco= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225U+fRn9ZLi9Z9Z85fjwvEKevLc1KPPv4r1LdQX2fQagahghisFCL286MG62/YumL3y/CSRab+wxjVBbh0Eeoo= X-Received: by 10.200.8.208 with SMTP id y16mr9402122qth.89.1518427509663; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:25:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.195.80 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:25:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luca Muscariello Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:25:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1144756654aa6d0565007428" Subject: Re: [Bloat] occasionally, there's good news to be had for the Internet. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:25:10 -0000 --001a1144756654aa6d0565007428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Next challenge: FQ into silicon... One of the reasons of what Jim describes under the "Here lies madness" section is related to silicon built-in functionalities and the ability to update software in edge-routers. Many chipcos build their board with several CPU offloading mechanisms, e.g. to support 1Gbps in the home. My home router uses a fourth-generation BCM3384 euro-DOCSIS 3.0 System-on-a-Chip (SoC) capable of 1Gbps downstream speeds by bonding up to 24x8 DOCSIS channels. One at 600MHz for the modem and one for the OS at 1GHz. I get 1Gbps downstream reliably and excessive latency too, ...reliably. It's a Linux box in the end but no way to enable FQ_codel based on the current architecture as TCP pipelines are offloaded to silicon. the are all sort of acceleration in the SoC, so I don't see it impossible to get FQ there. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I wish that more people agreed that fair queuing and AQM were the > rightest answers to the political debate, of both sides, to > NetworkNeutrality. RF8290 is fair to flows, no matter whose they are. > I also would like stuff like what Jim just wrote to somehow escape the > filter bubble, compressed down into terms found in everyday language. > Or a checkbox item on an RFP. > > https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/ > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CEO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-669-226-2619 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --001a1144756654aa6d0565007428 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Next challenge: FQ into silicon...=C2=A0

One of the reasons of what Jim describes under the "Here lies madnes= s" section=C2=A0
is related to silicon built-in functionalit= ies and the ability to update software in edge-routers.

Many chipcos build their board with several=C2=A0 CPU offloading mech= anisms, e.g.=C2=A0=C2=A0
to support 1Gbps in the home.=C2=A0

My home router uses a fourth-generation BCM3384 euro-D= OCSIS 3.0 System-on-a-Chip (SoC)=C2=A0
capable of 1Gbps downstrea= m speeds by bonding up to 24x8 DOCSIS channels.
One at 600MHz for= the modem and one for the OS at 1GHz.

I get 1Gbps= downstream reliably and excessive latency too, ...reliably.

=
It's a Linux box in the end but no way to enable FQ_codel ba= sed on the current architecture
as TCP pipelines are offloaded to= silicon.

the are all sort of acceleration in the = SoC, so I don't see it impossible to get FQ there.

=


On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Dave Taht &= lt;dave.taht@gmail= .com> wrote:
I wish that more people agreed that fair queuing and AQM were the
rightest answers to the political debate, of both sides, to
NetworkNeutrality. RF8290 is fair to flows, no matter whose they are.
I also would like stuff like what Jim just wrote to somehow escape the
filter bubble, compressed down into terms found in everyday language.
Or a checkbox item on an RFP.

https://gettys.wordpress.com/= 2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/

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CEO, TekLibre, LLC
ht= tp://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-669-226-2619
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