From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com (mail-qt1-x834.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B16F3CB37 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 17:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-42e63a658e1so4682461cf.3 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:26:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708899975; x=1709504775; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AB+tkldVTKKvUJTkDR2y4enK3d72MzjoaBBoQndB4vw=; b=Bi4VQACtim/U3jX1WDNgFlvt29E/NO9MS6AOiQM93Z55Fb12eqd5kivc96oSMOrfw8 EkPeLFjxM2IOZeTU07ysDLUufeLGOWWine/+0jlq0po/y4naU/9uIAc4Dyd2KHDPuEJ9 4LBOpch4dIC5+6FEbqsGpKsqpCXI8U+j/JRlltw4A97h3pipWYtySk9NaGURmZY3hcvp CykqLlFAQHJ6oWbleNj0OUUQDbAPNEgDOLqZUjUmy6K7JEUQLp4aTxVsSepaJFhi+y3m GYFSOGXHbcqCt9/rT2ykQlZ3eEAmLvKPgMhFBG0IEfVe33wDMdP39Z9yf2Bz2K+NF70U nLNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708899975; x=1709504775; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=AB+tkldVTKKvUJTkDR2y4enK3d72MzjoaBBoQndB4vw=; b=IFVBhN4pdSiwQnDrqzfUDjYp8IwFqSWYq0gWRmOjg1uKd5ftWU3S5tW6aiWV7Agr+N tiNXJ8c46lFnS+AFY28lIzbo8FGFxKGEGPptuB3qfkdOucRZ+3rALYuv3QzHFOIwApCL IOtOKxm7oefrvm87TAoO26apRXiQlE2vVOpwgnNfmZzPvKfdPPA6HD0htqegfO6WTQEn 20CUiaalOtja8qs0wNp8vceJia2bkDjnu44FGMzrvCKIGro4jiawrZsqOK/Y/bqUsuIy oh8klnOhDEiYLIb9ozh7eVG/wT3G4XOypUzC1epcZi9S0TjDdQGBvDQZ0nFI6F/zb5dG l9fw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw5QI4YxAzyY0d0ekaKNfZm6/MVKDv7mSmsaCe346HKMvB3DJU6 eRTAcufaQqDaVWnhRAnR363bs+Vj3FvogkcGmEcZCDRXRZRfcRMx/8kIiCkO2wssQhkcPpe4WLc 3z4ulo3jwj21Is4WItWjGFY+D/oolmBciG78= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG6Qj1jjvDS50hj+RX14tbHeurnWlcrkXYF2WwuOuO9TYsluiRbVT+uPsS8BuNgXoOO9J+4TtgYUqeOLE2mQyI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1055:b0:42e:7557:83ba with SMTP id f21-20020a05622a105500b0042e755783bamr5613834qte.18.1708899974826; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:26:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:25:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rich Brown Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f4d45c06123c4718" Subject: Re: [Bloat] Disappointment on "Best Newcomer Router" front X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 22:26:15 -0000 --000000000000f4d45c06123c4718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Rich, The answer for me is anything from https://www.gl-inet.com - I have installed a few, no problem at all with anything. It's fairly cheap as well= . All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 11:15=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown via Bloat < bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > For the last several years, I have responded on various boards to > complaints about bad latency with a happy-go-lucky "Or just try OpenWrt!"= . > [recent example: > https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1ay509v/comment/krx120h/= ?context=3D3] > I used to mention IQrouter, but that's no longer a possibility. > > Not wanting to give hollow advice, I decided to gather information about > router models that support OpenWrt without much risk to a newcomer's: > > - home/family network > - free time > - wallet > > My hope was to collect a few recommendations for units that might permit = a > someone who was intrigued by our "Just try OpenWrt!" enthusiasm to spend = a > few bucks and a few hours and see if it made things better. So I threw th= is > note over the wall to the OpenWrt forum: > https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050 > > Along with two options (only available on eBay), I got back a whole lot o= f > unsatisfactory responses. (See > https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050/21) > > But then thoughtful messages started arriving, discussing the state of th= e > world for modern OpenWrt routers, and why the firmware really isn't as ea= sy > to install as one might wish, how capable routers aren't as inexpensive a= s > one might hope, etc. > > Am I right to despair? Are there no routers out there that we can > recommend in good faith that are easy to install, powerful enough (for SQ= M) > at ordinary speeds, and won't break the bank? > > Many thanks. > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --000000000000f4d45c06123c4718 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 11:15=E2=80=AFPM R= ich Brown via Bloat <bloa= t@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
For the la= st several years, I have responded on various boards to complaints about ba= d latency with a happy-go-lucky "Or just try OpenWrt!". [recent e= xample: https:/= /www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1ay509v/comment/krx120h/?context= =3D3] I used to mention IQrouter, but that's no longer a possibilit= y.

Not wanting to give hollow advice, I decided to gather information about ro= uter models that support OpenWrt without much risk to a newcomer's:
- home/family network
- free time
- wallet

My hope was to collect a few recommendations for units that might permit a = someone who was intrigued by our "Just try OpenWrt!" enthusiasm t= o spend a few bucks and a few hours and see if it made things better. So I = threw this note over the wall to the OpenWrt forum: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050

Along with two options (only available on eBay), I got back a whole lot of = unsatisfactory responses. (See https:= //forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050/21)

But then thoughtful messages started arriving, discussing the state of the = world for modern OpenWrt routers, and why the firmware really isn't as = easy to install as one might wish, how capable routers aren't as inexpe= nsive as one might hope, etc.

Am I right to despair? Are there no routers out there that we can recommend= in good faith that are easy to install, powerful enough (for SQM) at ordin= ary speeds, and won't break the bank?

Many thanks.

Rich


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