[Bloat] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Bloat] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[James Forster]

Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen. 

These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)

If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android. 

Jim

[Bloat] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Frantisek Borsik]

Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because of
our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
dead. Long live latency."
https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency

I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you all.

PS: Sending you separate email.

All the best,

Frank

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
wrote:

> Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
>
> These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
> sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
>
> If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
> talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
>
> Jim

[Bloat] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[dan]

I actually really like the title ;)

It's that most of the time people are told they need more bandwidth to
solve a problem, when they really need lower latency and jitter.  So the
vast majority of the time 'more bandwidth' as a solution really is a lie.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:47 PM Frantisek Borsik via LibreQoS <
libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because of
> our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
> As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
> dead. Long live latency."
> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency
>
> I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you
> all.
>
> PS: Sending you separate email.
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>
> Skype: casioa5302ca
>
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
> >
> > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
> > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
> >
> > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
> > talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
> >
> > Jim
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[Bloat] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Frantisek Borsik]

Let's say that I love it, channeling my inner Dave Taht. But there were a
couple of voices asking if I won't consider to change it a bit, to be "less
hostile" to our "bandwidth is king!" friends...and I was trying, but this
was really sticky and I'm happy that it stayed this way.


All the best,

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik


*In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025

https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/


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On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 9:25 PM dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> I actually really like the title ;)
>
> It's that most of the time people are told they need more bandwidth to
> solve a problem, when they really need lower latency and jitter.  So the
> vast majority of the time 'more bandwidth' as a solution really is a lie.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:47 PM Frantisek Borsik via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because
>> of
>> our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
>> As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
>> dead. Long live latency."
>> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency
>>
>> I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you
>> all.
>>
>> PS: Sending you separate email.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>>
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>
>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>
>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>
>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
>> >
>> > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
>> > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
>> >
>> > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
>> > talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
>> >
>> > Jim
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>>
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