From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x635.google.com (mail-ej1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78F403CB37 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ej1-x635.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a9f1d76dab1so16120566b.0 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1733340075; x=1733944875; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yP/T0zWpbG4aBDZFlezFEYbZewdnqmcWdsM5FXKtGaI=; b=YwKqX/X3RMCwmCfZtM4akbqx/rkZZDpiosAi3F/smZo+prKttbUudDMviawJIFBW20 vSbsHeJampaQF0Zo2+VtOvctrx1imB3dPnxuusomjV4+ljBlvfqzd64Jt9vdj9O3pU1x f9S+Oxpu2OLr4jPXk+IwMojeSTQqPSbYRsPTdKC4SK0LbERsnO+vwoXhAo+MDp1W1gc1 NBWzDPMP2GskOfUfwDJ2WZiCWqYOuzyyUTZiVpK9dm+JYncUO0JbtPhR1Ady+kEATckA S18G9sxx+Ogi39kMHBGqDYJ+Au7ywNFAa4s0xcEGDUxdvu9zI5PM/ExrH+JVUR0vVdFS Cgiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1733340075; x=1733944875; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=yP/T0zWpbG4aBDZFlezFEYbZewdnqmcWdsM5FXKtGaI=; b=cWujTRjZAZnmg/udIdkPCW7F+UflArBkvSehOtQoQV13xmSw9ZGMgCapkICzLFKsII JUUxpDdJkU9wVc+sJozMwqCoCCvmfvOUZOwu4F2WzFlym9TxYdMDLtOodz19zKUPNJi/ BG/PuXS4zVBCJInvlERtzQhaCRFjKqw+r5BNYtqsnnoonoupX/RF0yoVAXKMlElbdz8m 8YtyfFsRcRgswG7dboy/906EWEkFtiSTOBgcFfvX1Gi6mM1BAwx9NumEtCLscj2FuE7O Fj6LhDp3xH44d0vU5Yx50Z0LD0Br6L56SDcRLI68/80Q5eP73bdytxEk85B/2KYnBg2n kRHw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUtgbCzf957OtQIfvz4Gmp1W4VbSpFGlXcECZPF9TSKSM9Qc5Rl1XWp8TEYhUTq7DgbrLCPQg==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwrpeYECWcP5ZzCAryVTQiLou2gUhhNKXGxI+R80M8BVLCdsJ/H E5mbJ+jS7QOwyPwOgZvKpAImvlRoFmG52naC4WX3sMSMXgf1/r3v+RH1PoXRcRLVffRJfo0CTPq iyqEmaLBZ5nGizEWARmw5vxoN390= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuUVDRMBMexJVKSx6MxJ/LbC48QEiggPv4qRMVXAvCWD7FEIkxfAaaekHeGKJ+ wj9Dw7wm9W9JQ+Sml2kB7jdXfnVJwhwqW X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHXXNMucTnXefR2Oyc7pYv8H5Kwv6xRSBHzQmqC7g/WD8KHtM3wVceCw+E3y1GVEUH36J7PuvN+F8a+62BvU+k= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7856:b0:aa5:63a1:17cf with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-aa6017ead6amr572564666b.20.1733340075136; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:21:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8E1D013F-BC13-4FFA-8986-2521FEB39A89@gmail.com> <62A919E9-EAFD-434C-BF2B-302D9E5A50E0@gmx.de> <8E2F007C-6995-4145-B97B-767D4022E053@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8E2F007C-6995-4145-B97B-767D4022E053@gmail.com> From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 20:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rich Brown Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Rich Brown via Bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000742001062876af0f" Subject: Re: [Bloat] Updates to bufferbloat.net site X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 19:21:16 -0000 --000000000000742001062876af0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yay, I applaud you for adding search button, for sure. Thanks for all the changes, Rich. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 8:18=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown via Bloat < bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Excellent comments, most appreciated. > > > On Dec 4, 2024, at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: > > > > Hi Rich, > > > > On 4 December 2024 17:16:39 CET, Rich Brown via Bloat < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I have made some tweaks to the bufferbloat.net site: > >> > >> - Added OpenWrt One to the list of off-the-shelf routers. (I ordered > mine today from AliExpress - it's due 19 Dec) > >> > > > > [SM] Ordered One as well... that said, this is a decent AP package, but > will likely not be a general all-in-one router (lack of a modem is likely > fine, lack of switch ports less so), especially given the price... > > > https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Buffe= rbloat/ > >> > >> - Added Raspberry Pi4 to the "custom firmware" section > >> - ibid > >> > >> - Added/extended the Bufferbloat FAQs page > >> https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Bufferbloat_FAQs/ > >> > >> - I would appreciate comments on the FAQ page - I fear I let my snark > get a little ahead of my good judgement > > > > [SM] I like it... I wonder though whether the "and still you ended up > reading this" argument should only be made once, maybe as a response to > multiple questions? > > > >> > >> - Also note that the FAQ pages lists three good web-based speed/latenc= y > test pages: Speedtest.net, Cloudflare, and Waveform and the Crusader test= er > application for Windows, Mac, Linux. > > > > [SM] Nitpick: > > "If the test shows latency below 15-25 msec, it means that bufferbloat > is under control." > > Maybe clarify "latency increases under load below..." we occasionally > see people with idle delays >> 25ms performing these tests...? > > > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Rich > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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Yay, I applaud you for adding search button, for sure= .

Thanks for all the changes, Rich.

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All the best,

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On Wed,= Dec 4, 2024 at 8:18=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
=
Excellent comments, most appreciated.

> On Dec 4, 2024, at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> On 4 December 2024 17:16:39 CET, Rich Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloa= t.net> wrote:
>> I have made some tweaks to the bufferbloat.net site:
>>
>> - Added OpenWrt One to the list of off-the-shelf routers. (I order= ed mine today from AliExpress - it's due 19 Dec)
>>
>
> [SM] Ordered One as well... that said, this is a decent AP package, bu= t will likely not be a general all-in-one router (lack of a modem is likely= fine, lack of switch ports less so), especially given the price...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_a= bout_Bufferbloat/
>>
>> - Added Raspberry Pi4 to the "custom firmware" section >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ibid
>>
>> - Added/extended the Bufferbloat FAQs page
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https:= //www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Bufferbloat_FAQs/
>>
>> - I would appreciate comments on the FAQ page - I fear I let my sn= ark get a little ahead of my good judgement
>
> [SM] I like it... I wonder though whether the "and still you ende= d up reading this" argument should only be made once, maybe as a respo= nse to multiple questions?
>
>>
>> - Also note that the FAQ pages lists three good web-based speed/la= tency test pages: Speedtest.net, Cloudflare, and Waveform and the Crusader = tester application for Windows, Mac, Linux.
>
> [SM] Nitpick:
> "If the test shows latency below 15-25 msec, it means that buffer= bloat is under control."
> Maybe clarify "latency increases under load below..."=C2=A0 = we occasionally see people with idle delays >> 25ms performing these = tests...?
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rich
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bloat mailing list
>> B= loat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>
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> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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