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From: Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Noah Causin <n0manletter@gmail.com>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:29:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ_ENFHq63rQeB8x5Ss+68M2YO=XayRag3FgntFiWXEa4opcbQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.75.62.1611231037440.9765@qynat-yncgbc>

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I meant the actual physical link, not the provisioned rate. Most last mile
tech encapsulates Ethernet frames into larger super-frames. Decapsulating
the Ethernet frames is pretty much at 1Gb line rate. On my GPON link, with
shaping in PFSense turned off, I regularly see 4,000+ 1500byte datagrams at
full 1Gb link rate hitting my WAN before my ISP starts shaping to my
150Mb/s average. When I had a cable modem, I would see similar, except
instead of a constant 1Gb/s, I would see bursts of multiple packets, then a
small pause, but eventually the packets started to get more and more spaced
as the provisioned average started to kick in. I assumed this was because
my DOCSIS3 8x bonded link could only max out around 300Mb/s, even though my
provisioned rate was only 30Mb/s.

It really depended on the quantum of the shaping algorithm, calculated
average window size, and how elastic or strict it was.

Ahh, packet packing, what a fun problem.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:38 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
>
> Most people only have a 1Gb network link,
>>
>
> umm, no, most people have FAR slower links, by an order or two of
> magnatude.
>
> David Lang
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-23 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-22 15:32 Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38     ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23  8:28     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59       ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31         ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05           ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27             ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50                 ` Noah Causin
2016-11-23 17:56                   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05                     ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29                         ` Benjamin Cronce [this message]
2016-11-23 19:42                           ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20                             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54                 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:09                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 18:24                       ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17                   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.447.1479909940.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-23 18:16 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 19:15       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found] <mailman.454.1479929363.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-26 15:33 ` [Bloat] Fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-27  1:53   ` Aaron Wood
2016-11-27  6:10     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:11     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28  2:16       ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28  6:00         ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48           ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35                 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07                     ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02                       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52                     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14             ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10           ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:47       ` David Lang

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