From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-xc32.google.com (mail-yw1-xc32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B38763B2A4 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-xc32.google.com with SMTP id h138-v6so9140700ywa.11 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:32:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Kq5BFE2edH5Dgsm2ar9Xg5eJPWong7k3BfO+YDOtgrw=; b=Zflh1MJXi8+kbgEtNrSm8E9HVwHRHtf12dOGi/JbC19zWA2M332oO+Hn2ebs4A3bHY r2XfPw9S1j8eWbP88v5yDCHFqfLOnKau6sL2voMJPVxaIy4P/8ezEqI4zJwBOx9658Te YIlM2d3UoeCyU8U4lNKVXhwoQdx9oatf27TK92TwklSsANCfTx6p4eQeOBxS2eSmUpGd BpnSdwm2UeKjczAuuxUKlcKXll8NgLMY2lXE/MZDhcFm3/bttlfLweKjQPZ2QLZr069n PFsEwdWqyzUjR/VJ8h9ED5ftjb8sv1Hwc8abopiHJRgrwUYQSYYdaNCvHqWC3GWLV/T1 Lvsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Kq5BFE2edH5Dgsm2ar9Xg5eJPWong7k3BfO+YDOtgrw=; b=nnG4ep929GnHFkJhly9sZKHC1jtU4XXERbWlqyKmf/8ZHWlmMlEDgvu4I6XlxLnbKp xyeqvpylaCTXJWfV2BoelRPP1Y8CscXC0okesOJbJo/T+lqQucSPI0Vf9DMPX4cAZuoH JKmRtE8bZXtNM1/0kax6a2mwpdo1EbLBMddw/sOWG7BbOhoGe09ZOfo3OBNLYBzVCiEh 6vdEw5YbKIB8mzfezwhmphp07BkPEMWJoy0rxPe4oQ76Oa9CXgMPTWYdprcdsI6BCI9s IBMlD0RaUSPhEUll37HK2er0enxxBsGxPmjoICbyIYcaEJHFaDz3GoJcH+Czq5srtEQp Jwdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJlB0deo04mv6OVBxtxrnTBuihvrCfvlEtWt+Q8GO9lWj4/82VT v5v77ieGgk5Npisg5alZPoSdkmNGwMw6iM+PAr7Zw0MA X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cnkyAwZKZiV5hqlkyBRA26HC56FFUE+KbE/Z+ccJTbNdKQjDb73qFHtZkwruESGc9TSlsR2137emcjJSG8tMU= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:e887:: with SMTP id r129mr39835776ywe.54.1543422741985; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:32:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bruno George Moraes Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:32:10 -0200 Message-ID: To: Bufferbloat lists bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000463d23057bbc1cdd" Subject: [Bloat] known buffer sizes on switches X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:32:22 -0000 --000000000000463d23057bbc1cdd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Nice resource, thanks. > > If someone wonders why things look the way they do, so it's all about > on-die and off-die memory. Either you use off-die or on-die memory, often > SRAM which requires 6 gates per bit. So spending half a billion gates > gives you ~10MB buffer on-die. If you're doing off-die memory (DRAM or > similar) then you'll get the gigabytes of memory seen in some equipment. > There basically is nothing in between. As soon as you go off-die you might > as well put at least 2-6 GB in there. > > There are some reasearch on new memory devices with unexpected results... https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8533260 The HMC memory allows improvements in execution time and consumed energy. > In some situations, this memory type permits removing the L2 cache from the > memory hierarchy. > HMC parts start at 2GB --000000000000463d23057bbc1cdd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice resource, thanks.

If someone wonders why things look the way they do, so it's all about=
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on-die and off-die memory. Either you use off-die or on-die memory, often=
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SRAM which requires 6 gates per bit. So spending half a billion gates=20
gives you ~10MB buffer on-die. If you're doing off-die memory (DRAM or=
=20
similar) then you'll get the gigabytes of memory seen in some equipment=
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There basically is nothing in between. As soon as you go off-die you might=
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as well put at least 2-6 GB in there.

There are some reasearch on new memo= ry devices with unexpected results...

<= div> The HMC memory allows improvements in execution time and consumed=20 energy. In some situations, this memory type permits removing the L2=20 cache from the memory hierarchy.=20



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