From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat paper
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:13:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJq5cE0CwJa+g1ODi2q5TyLgdH9JU3GzNB8_E9tcy8CUDkZOMA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1301082052000.21708@nftneq.ynat.uz>
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I think the point being made here was that the FTTH homes were talking to
DSL hosts via P2P a lot.
- Jonathan Morton
On Jan 9, 2013 6:54 AM, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2013, Mark Allman wrote:
>
> Did any of their 90 homes contained laptops connected over WiFi?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Almost certinly,
>>>
>>
>> Yeah - they nearly for sure did. (See the note I sent to bloat@ this
>> morning.)
>>
>> but if the connection from the laptop to the AP is 54M and the
>>> connection from the AP to the Internet is 1G, you are not going to
>>> have a lot of buffering taking place. You will have no buffering on
>>> the uplink side, and while you will have some buffering on the
>>> downlink side, 54M is your slowest connection and it takes a
>>> significantly large amount of data in flight to fill that for seconds.
>>>
>>
>> 54Mbps *might* be your slowest link. It also could be somewhere before
>> incoming traffic gets anywhere close to any of the CCZ gear. E.g., if
>> the traffic is from my DSL line the bottleneck will be < 1Mbps and on my
>> end of the connection.
>>
>
> Wait a min here, from everything prior to this it was sounding like you
> were in a fiber-to-the-home experimental area that had 1G all the way to
> the houses, no DSL involved.
>
> Are we all minunderstanding this?
>
> David Lang
>
> But, regardless, none of this matters for the results presented in the
>> paper because our measurements factor out the local residences. Again,
>> see the paper and the note I sent this morning. The measurements are
>> taken between our monitor (which is outside the local homes) and the
>> remote host somewhere out across the Internet. We are measuring
>> wide-area and remote-side networks, not the local FTTH network.
>>
>> allman
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-08 19:03 Hal Murray
2013-01-08 20:28 ` Jonathan Morton
2013-01-09 0:12 ` David Lang
2013-01-09 1:59 ` Mark Allman
2013-01-09 4:53 ` David Lang
2013-01-09 5:13 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2013-01-09 5:32 ` Mark Allman
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2013-01-09 3:39 ` [Bloat] Bufferbloat Paper Mark Allman
2013-01-09 5:02 ` David Lang
2013-01-18 1:23 ` grenville armitage
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2013-01-08 7:35 [Bloat] bufferbloat paper Ingemar Johansson S
2013-01-18 22:00 ` Haiqing Jiang
2013-01-07 23:37 [Bloat] Bufferbloat Paper Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2013-01-08 0:33 ` Dave Taht
2013-01-08 0:40 ` David Lang
2013-01-08 2:04 ` Mark Watson
2013-01-08 2:24 ` David Lang
2013-01-09 20:08 ` Michael Richardson
2013-01-08 4:52 ` Mark Watson
2013-01-08 1:54 ` Stephen Hemminger
2013-01-08 2:15 ` Oliver Hohlfeld
2013-01-08 12:44 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2013-01-08 13:55 ` Mark Allman
2013-01-09 0:03 ` David Lang
2013-01-10 13:01 ` Mark Allman
2013-01-09 20:14 ` Michael Richardson
2013-01-09 20:19 ` Mark Allman
2013-01-09 20:31 ` Michael Richardson
2013-01-10 18:05 ` Mark Allman
2013-01-08 14:04 ` Mark Allman
2013-01-08 17:22 ` Dave Taht
2013-01-09 20:05 ` Michael Richardson
2013-01-09 20:14 ` Mark Allman
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