From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-x231.google.com (mail-vc0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8BF21F32C for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hq11so5352370vcb.8 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:20:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sKNGrBxu9CiYJjMTAbzG9xmhG0rgaoerSLYkJ64rphk=; b=qTZ8FB46kQlPRKs2K+/8vaVN1f15gtRSFpLgrrc7DwzC5IXyOahOzellghncd8JhOR t7mxcXiNIyAgi9F/e0Qnfi7i71cTvBYMowWtXaOTBNa09wpwinzfnnLLMoZZSFEMupnC /VA4pEt3PO8VAcnqgClK09bAMiiDDxg2r9aB1kVkBAaDbKqK43/mXR1cbkhqQv7g6QEc bg2RdC4F9GXExB0LeH1/0BifqtlHuDY7NVj/gpJBIxrrHDowJ+v+3SFn1xgtYUxT9duo BsIlLCww03r0e29BXbBbXGwL5qUFqaSe/u/v/abwyceVauy9yfNjYr1GzW7p2t5qr3ho fWJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.181.33 with SMTP id dt1mr1342378vdc.42.1425417621085; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.79 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.79 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:20:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54F60F7B.4040405@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 23:20:20 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Morton To: Dave Taht Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec548a2f1f62db4051068e6ef Cc: bloat , davecb@spamcop.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Motivating commercial entities? tell the sales manager (was: ping loss "considered harmful") X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:20:50 -0000 --bcaec548a2f1f62db4051068e6ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It strikes me that the Wi-Fi Alliance might be able to help with the marketing side of deployment once we solve the Wi-Fi specific problems. They have a certification process which, at least in theory, could help ensure that implementations actually work as advertised in practice. The trick of course is that membership with them is expensive and you need to show a genuine business interest, rather than a technical one. Maybe there's a back route for bringing technical things to their attention. If so, and if we can find it, we might start seeing "Responsive Wi-Fi=E2=84= =A2" on boxes next year. - Jonathan Morton --bcaec548a2f1f62db4051068e6ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It strikes me that the Wi-Fi Alliance might be able to help = with the marketing side of deployment once we solve the Wi-Fi specific prob= lems. They have a certification process which, at least in theory, could he= lp ensure that implementations actually work as advertised in practice.

The trick of course is that membership with them is expensiv= e and you need to show a genuine business interest, rather than a technical= one. Maybe there's a back route for bringing technical things to their= attention.

If so, and if we can find it, we might start seeing "Re= sponsive Wi-Fi=E2=84=A2" on boxes next year.

- Jonathan Morton

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