From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCECD3B2B0 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id t129so33411757vka.1 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=8z42gyKCahwRpGS8awS4XxlKJMngcscVBEbJ80t/w3c=; b=mRLex3a2PtD9V5Pra1RgF2BSX/ddQYjPMjgoUM33XXQ0sL0CeG9u9CL1mgogdTuvQx brXdRLcSa9RWnF71bFNNKquooP0y3HlHX1631EJKhnZaMFIMJWcJMShoakPXq0zEdjAS BKvUc+Wxb3/9yv7pOuBPdBq1Mx0ThxZ7N9WBclQLaLPTXRH8MQ4y+KFi+4m31cPJD6v8 fxrhvffUzznsD7fyoLnWkzyAS9erjDntPLfU3yecqq3cJ8iSLXieCw/Hgw6Xt3Hs0M0L ed47K5YCHQVSSfcSUlK29qYK7ia4e9uMRXPVr3TLjcxJeSpRz/BG8pw17rQ6R6JyeNkT vdGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=8z42gyKCahwRpGS8awS4XxlKJMngcscVBEbJ80t/w3c=; b=f/T7yxyOUDyY9X3sYGpJZV5x+kpM3BVxBdK+t9Rl7t+CgJzRMpPXpV6GXq6baUBfH1 Xc1jRWiF+szRLS5hFV0WLv9zjQo1nMXhJEHgeoEgtwPCvumhHrXP1BoaMkvpYO5oPuxZ GiRiRgwGFkFQE5eo0DNnBs2/XrPchMVbN6VQg797SnSm5ocVTxANbIWFtPWX5SnPTXIk 0r65tHfXUfQxt+ur8fxVA1Q3PTdaCsueTykoNb+/DY/Bv2YS27erQGGulj55cnnyA1Df 1PX10oCawyhTnVIzp6tnQ20Upz6rVD5WqWakk16YcVrGhiTL7t+EWZqRvpjXF58Kq55u OUDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJXPZUDGSU+M8gGP5+7AiPXuXa3J2ss8lh+BZFttLAVw27898vHUV7FPZAOVBRnnflW2iNtAzGhh8uHVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.64.76 with SMTP id n73mr5231935vka.42.1465782651364; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.54.240 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.54.240 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <151299a8-87ec-6a8a-b44b-9f710c31a46f@gmail.com> <20160612212440.GB25090@sesse.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 04:50:51 +0300 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Morton To: Benjamin Cronce Cc: Jesper Louis Andersen , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143c93440aa8805351f1e9f Subject: Re: [Bloat] Questions About Switch Buffering X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 01:50:52 -0000 --001a1143c93440aa8805351f1e9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think at switch level we should be thinking of simple AQM rather than the flow isolating type. Just a simple way to inform the endpoints that some congestion is occurring so please flood sparingly. As previously noted, WRED is considerably better than nothing, even if it's not very good in absolute terms. - Jonathan Morton --001a1143c93440aa8805351f1e9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think at switch level we should be thinking of simple AQM = rather than the flow isolating type. Just a simple way to inform the endpoi= nts that some congestion is occurring so please flood sparingly. As previou= sly noted, WRED is considerably better than nothing, even if it's not v= ery good in absolute terms.

- Jonathan Morton

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