From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: renaud sallantin <renaud.sallantin@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:52:48 +0300 [thread overview]
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> By curiosity, what is now responsible for the drops if not the congestion?
I think the point was not that observed drops are not caused by congestion,
but that congestion doesn't reliably cause drops. Correlation is not
causation.
There are also cases when drops are in fact caused by something other than
congestion, including faulty ADSL phone lines. Some local loop providers
have been known to explicitly consider several percent of packet loss due
to line conditions as "not a fault", to the consternation of the actual ISP
who was trying to provide a decent device over it.
- Jonathan Morton
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2015-04-19 5:26 jb
2015-04-19 7:36 ` David Lang
2015-04-19 7:48 ` David Lang
2015-04-19 9:33 ` jb
2015-04-19 10:45 ` David Lang
2015-04-19 8:28 ` Alex Burr
2015-04-19 10:20 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 10:46 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 16:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 17:41 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 19:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 20:53 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 2:56 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-21 4:15 ` jb
2015-04-21 4:47 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 7:35 ` jb
2015-04-21 9:14 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-21 14:20 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:25 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:28 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 22:13 ` jb
2015-04-21 22:39 ` Aaron Wood
2015-04-21 23:17 ` jb
2015-04-22 2:14 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 2:56 ` jb
2015-04-22 14:32 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 17:35 ` David Lang
2015-04-23 1:37 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 16:54 ` David Lang
2015-04-24 17:00 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-21 9:37 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 10:35 ` jb
2015-04-22 4:04 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 4:28 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 8:51 ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 12:02 ` jb
2015-04-22 13:08 ` Jonathan Morton
[not found] ` <14ce17a7810.27f7.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net>
2015-04-22 14:15 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 13:50 ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 14:09 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 15:26 ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 15:44 ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 16:35 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 17:24 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 17:28 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:45 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-23 5:27 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-23 6:48 ` Eric Dumazet
[not found] ` <CAH3Ss96VwE_fWNMOMOY4AgaEnVFtCP3rPDHSudOcHxckSDNMqQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-04-23 10:08 ` jb
2015-04-24 8:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24 8:29 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 8:55 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24 9:02 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 13:32 ` jb
2015-04-24 13:58 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 16:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-25 3:15 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25 4:04 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-25 4:26 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25 6:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-27 16:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 7:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 8:01 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 8:19 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-28 15:42 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 8:38 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:09 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-28 15:26 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 15:39 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 11:04 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 11:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 13:44 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 19:09 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-28 14:06 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 14:02 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-06 5:08 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-06 8:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 15:30 ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-06 18:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 20:25 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-06 20:43 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-05-07 7:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 4:29 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 7:08 ` jb
2015-05-07 7:18 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-07 7:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 7:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 9:16 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 10:44 ` jb
2015-05-07 11:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 11:44 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:10 ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-07 13:18 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:14 ` jb
2015-05-07 13:26 ` Neil Davies
2015-05-07 14:45 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-07 22:27 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 22:45 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 23:09 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08 2:05 ` jb
2015-05-08 4:16 ` David Lang
2015-05-08 3:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-05-08 4:20 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08 13:20 ` [Bloat] DSLReports Jitter/PDV test Rich Brown
2015-05-08 14:22 ` jb
2015-05-07 7:37 ` [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 7:19 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 6:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-25 3:23 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 15:20 ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-04-25 2:24 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-23 10:17 ` renaud sallantin
2015-04-23 14:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-23 14:38 ` renaud sallantin
2015-04-23 15:52 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2015-04-23 16:00 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-23 13:17 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 18:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 18:39 ` [Bloat] Pacing --- was " MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 19:05 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-22 15:59 ` [Bloat] RE : " Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 16:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 16:19 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-22 17:15 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-19 12:14 ` [Bloat] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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2015-04-19 12:56 jb
2015-04-19 13:10 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 13:53 ` jb
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2015-04-19 16:38 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 17:15 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-19 17:43 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 19:22 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 17:03 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 18:04 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-23 18:08 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-23 20:19 ` jb
2015-04-23 20:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 21:45 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-25 1:14 ` jb
2015-04-23 21:44 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-23 22:22 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 22:29 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 1:58 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-24 2:40 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 3:20 ` Jim Gettys
2015-04-24 3:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 4:04 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 4:17 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:13 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 5:00 ` jb
2015-04-27 16:28 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:09 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 13:49 ` Pedro Tumusok
2015-04-23 22:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-24 1:38 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-24 4:16 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-24 4:24 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 17:45 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 18:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 18:30 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 19:15 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-20 3:15 ` Aaron Wood
2015-04-20 7:00 ` jb
[not found] ` <CACQiMXbF9Uk3H=81at-Z9a2fdYKrRtRorSXRg5dBcPB8-aR4Cw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-04-20 8:11 ` jb
2015-04-19 19:19 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-19 21:57 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-19 23:21 ` jb
2015-04-20 14:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-20 15:51 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-20 16:15 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 0:57 Rich Brown
2015-04-19 4:01 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-20 14:33 ` Colin Dearborn
2015-04-19 8:29 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 8:38 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 12:21 ` jb
2015-04-19 9:17 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-19 12:03 ` jb
2015-04-19 10:53 ` dikshie
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