General list for discussing Bufferbloat
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Kathleen Nichols <nichols@pollere.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] ping loss "considered harmful"
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 21:41:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJq5cE20Vado=2tmsXzr5QYHq2yDUSd+mO2jMqZ3xxRBQFODng@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54F4B37A.8040405@pollere.com>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 743 bytes --]

Probably the least cynical answer to that I can come up with is the hope
that big vendors get a clue that this stuff is needed, and start hiring
field experts as consultants to help them get it right.

You can stop snickering now.

Another possibility is that some of us have to club together and make our
own hardware that Does The Right Thing, possibly still based on one of the
generic reference hardware platforms, if we can find one that we like and
is cheap enough to compete. Which, once again, would take care of the CPE
problem but practically nothing else, unless we somehow managed to get a
foot in the door of the DSLAM market. Which is about as likely as the
Prince of Darkness taking a skiing holiday at home.

- Jonathan Morton

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 819 bytes --]

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-02 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-02  3:57 [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2015-03-02  4:05 ` [Bloat] [aqm] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-02  4:06 ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " David Lang
     [not found] ` <7B3E53F5-2112-4A50-A777-B76F928CE8F2@trammell.ch>
2015-03-02 10:17   ` [Bloat] [aqm] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-02 10:54     ` Jonathan Morton
2015-03-02 12:44       ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " dpreed
2015-03-02 19:01       ` [Bloat] " Kathleen Nichols
2015-03-02 19:41         ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2015-03-02 20:48           ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-03-02 22:15             ` Dave Taht
     [not found]     ` <34374.1425365125@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
2015-03-04  8:14       ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
     [not found]   ` <54F4DBC9.1010700@isi.edu>
2015-03-02 23:14     ` [Bloat] " David Lang
     [not found]       ` <54F4F166.6040303@isi.edu>
2015-03-02 23:34         ` David Lang
     [not found] ` <E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E9830B5875D@wtl-exchp-2.sandvine.com>
     [not found]   ` <CAPRuP3n0tbFKJyPwpr3ntb7abXgyRRhtH23aeeYzvj9mgj_G8g@mail.gmail.com>
2015-03-02 18:36     ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " David Lang
     [not found] ` <md2fsa$o1s$1@ger.gmane.org>
2015-03-02 20:38   ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2015-03-04  8:12     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
     [not found]   ` <E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E9830B5923E@wtl-exchp-2.sandvine.com>
2015-03-02 20:39     ` David Lang
2015-03-03 17:20 ` Fred Baker (fred)
2015-03-03 17:29   ` Wesley Eddy
2015-03-03 18:00     ` Fred Baker (fred)
2015-03-04  5:24       ` Dave Taht
2015-03-05 18:56         ` Curtis Villamizar
2015-03-05 19:50           ` Rich Brown
2015-03-04 17:34       ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " dpreed
2015-03-04 19:45         ` [Bloat] [aqm] [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-03-05 22:27           ` Sam Silvester
2015-03-05 20:38 ` [Bloat] " Matt Taggart
2015-03-05 20:53   ` Dave Taht

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/postorius/lists/bloat.lists.bufferbloat.net/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAJq5cE20Vado=2tmsXzr5QYHq2yDUSd+mO2jMqZ3xxRBQFODng@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=chromatix99@gmail.com \
    --cc=bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net \
    --cc=nichols@pollere.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox