From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-x234.google.com (mail-vc0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26CFF21F1BB for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 11:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id le20so4938433vcb.11 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2015 11:41:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NwQoo8OzuG+g0H5WMgFp3yv44yETCzWghxAb/Ojvmok=; b=FaopiXf+dbwvCa6C80oypgLzQmTE5vKjzLfTj4+9D+Pqo9zbpNvJvTvADevYIBmwtn yc1NLWP69/1wSD/d91H8i70rZkwZcr0KOsjUEsUXFYB3Tgd2Fz1nHL7zCC7GKMfbsYM8 zrXULQYzJNwRO2V1TsTaKdwQzquBQKKIAa+XHuAk8l0iQrs6nm9z8eW6oQv3uYV40r2N XsMrzPxS8myR3W2+TgnEmMvDTE0RmvkXZH+AU3CNzMMWOiOXtyUzzMo3DleqTpAnTSLb mXGtW2JH4KYmvluIoPnhRZghkIhCpXM4qpa+8pgKHbLl/dfBLoIbJlBZIfzUgZzG/oPz d6Uw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.81.1 with SMTP id v1mr14800244vdx.96.1425325292817; Mon, 02 Mar 2015 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.79 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.79 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54F4B37A.8040405@pollere.com> References: <7B3E53F5-2112-4A50-A777-B76F928CE8F2@trammell.ch> <802AFC8C-B59B-4971-A4ED-5C0375E683B1@gmail.com> <54F4B37A.8040405@pollere.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 21:41:32 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Morton To: Kathleen Nichols Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11367444c4931805105367d3 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] ping loss "considered harmful" X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:42:02 -0000 --001a11367444c4931805105367d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Probably the least cynical answer to that I can come up with is the hope that big vendors get a clue that this stuff is needed, and start hiring field experts as consultants to help them get it right. You can stop snickering now. Another possibility is that some of us have to club together and make our own hardware that Does The Right Thing, possibly still based on one of the generic reference hardware platforms, if we can find one that we like and is cheap enough to compete. Which, once again, would take care of the CPE problem but practically nothing else, unless we somehow managed to get a foot in the door of the DSLAM market. Which is about as likely as the Prince of Darkness taking a skiing holiday at home. - Jonathan Morton --001a11367444c4931805105367d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Probably the least cynical answer to that I can come up with= is the hope that big vendors get a clue that this stuff is needed, and sta= rt hiring field experts as consultants to help them get it right.

You can stop snickering now.

Another possibility is that some of us have to club together= and make our own hardware that Does The Right Thing, possibly still based = on one of the generic reference hardware platforms, if we can find one that= we like and is cheap enough to compete. Which, once again, would take care= of the CPE problem but practically nothing else, unless we somehow managed= to get a foot in the door of the DSLAM market. Which is about as likely as= the Prince of Darkness taking a skiing holiday at home.

- Jonathan Morton

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