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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>
Cc: "Dave Täht" <dave@taht.net>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:20:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJq5cE2aj6JLnUWO+Wyp2xbOMaomvNojYE4zEnGvtfpwXrYOmg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1513119230.638732339@apps.rackspace.com>

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This is also true in the consumer space, and is the reason why ISPs can
save money by taking advantage of statistical multiplexing.  On average, I
personally could be satisfied with a megabit, but it's a real pain to
download gigabyte-class software updates at that speed.

If it takes me literally days to download a game's beta versions, any
comments I might have will be stale by the time they can be heard, and in
the meantime my other uses of the internet have been seriously impaired.
It's much more useful if I can download the same data in an hour, and spend
the remaining time evaluating.  So throughput is indeed a factor in
response time, once the size of the response is sufficiently large.

Occasionally, of course, practically everyone in the country wants to tune
into coverage of some event at the same time.  More commonly, they simply
get home from work and school at the same time every day.  That breaks the
assumptions behind pure statistical multiplexing, and requires a greater
provisioning factor.

- Jonathan Morton

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-12 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2017-12-04  4:19       ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2017-12-04  9:13         ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04  9:31           ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:18             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:27               ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:43                 ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:47                   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:57                     ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:59                       ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:44                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 19:59                         ` dpreed
2017-12-04 20:29                           ` David Collier-Brown
2017-12-08  7:05                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-12 15:09                             ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-12 18:36                               ` Dave Taht
2017-12-12 22:53                                 ` dpreed
2017-12-12 23:20                                   ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2017-12-13 10:20                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-13 10:45                                   ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-13 15:26                                   ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 16:41                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 18:08                                       ` dpreed
2017-12-13 19:55                                         ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 21:06                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-14  8:22                                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 21:37                                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2017-12-18  8:11                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 11:52                                 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-18  7:50                                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-19 17:55                                     ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-27 15:15                                       ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2018-01-20 11:55                                 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:41                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:56         ` [Bloat] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: DC behaviors today) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:00           ` Dave Taht
2017-12-04 20:49             ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-07  8:43             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-07  8:49             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:19           ` Matthias Tafelmeier

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