From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x22b.google.com (mail-qt0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2B193B29E for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id g9so13001684qth.9 for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 05:48:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LssJRsb6xi4OkYQalHPdSBhNc0BYVoAO6XCMlZBpi5Y=; b=ArH7B8qeXb9wV2UZt3B7e2swhm5iou8rQk/chpPjwyP5GQJfd6oDjZ0/2+y+rFQjmS vm00iBgI/cXob6JNBjj4kO+xkEL5ARV6FM7R9qBvw8zaPXzuCcyzW+UsL7c5V87U52bV vkv9buW3cCvhgEg/URXRk8NYkD4G6t++h1muZYfeponade2Ti3XPHU9JCDcC8lrek3Zo i8mTU/MJs1BM+zSsl+ZA7UWp/aVMfJHAFKi7vmbrYtvMhoWLvKFZfZbsmGaT3EysRJRs z4yQg77no7bhKDKvCB2lkJYanREfYtdjZMZsB/Yt2tok1MkgG7ge/TUWLlAZ/PKkKfru dNcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LssJRsb6xi4OkYQalHPdSBhNc0BYVoAO6XCMlZBpi5Y=; b=SR6HeVgMvSx44sbfZPZ15Xx4ni1H19P3nrRLW6hHFUez+AI1EVJTwCKOFo8ZX+B8Qk mYc7YncV2dr6VwOIDNBmO3WaBM1PAj0oZn4p4PIft17c3YYVvvbqiA0zsN2AdIWFYTRG HOM7RoUQ26hiPBto4ow3CZK0DB+whf72gw2Ct4MTY1v07WqSPTTFhlIPEoXQoCt/SjWl neYdePJXvZ/+37JBkXTF0/bx8ru1oSM8gjCKy/XL/jk9Mpjolf1oRiHHIGyrzI/0FQjk uPDrblbMEOichw+Jegwge6s8Q7cJL/e3K81RMaFqLwlErAe+hrR+WqjNxdULPsRcpmFO giRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKt60RD8W/A4oyi7hkUasXGQfcxQIB5jix0XiHZV+Z7/l+6LJ2B Y9rFkKFsybJwDrhNrBWneeuDLEL84DT2Of8JKkQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZEpkH4zzDNmKN3iUh1EoXYhBQo9H3rDn8RV0K2BwZqKxbmKGP9/HqvifGLWAqL3L4iYHGZeqHpwCT+eGQmIW4= X-Received: by 10.237.59.183 with SMTP id r52mr6615636qte.121.1512136114337; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 05:48:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.102.179 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 05:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.102.179 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 05:48:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87shd18c51.fsf@toke.dk> <874lpe8y2f.fsf@toke.dk> <57A2696A-F95C-4EEC-95B7-45EC4C2ADA55@pnsol.com> <80E038A3-8B27-48C2-ABC3-CAB8706FF24D@ifi.uio.no> From: Jonathan Morton Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:48:33 +0200 Message-ID: To: Michael Welzl Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c192110f27c8c055f479f90" Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat in high resolution + non-stationarity X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 13:48:34 -0000 --94eb2c192110f27c8c055f479f90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" If so, that's a step in the right direction. I know of a few "old guard" protocols which typically use appropriate DSCPs too. But YouTube doesn't, and neither do any of the major BitTorrent implementations (despite us asking nicely), nor typical VoIP clients, nor multiplayer games. Those are the places I'd hope to see progress relatively early. Several prominent game publishers use libtorrent in combination with a CDN of web-seeds, in which the web-seeds would benefit from having CS1 set and libtorrent tuned for a smaller number of connections - no dice so far, though libtorrent's developers seem to nominally agree. - Jonathan Morton --94eb2c192110f27c8c055f479f90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If so, that's a step in the right direction.=C2=A0 I kno= w of a few "old guard" protocols which typically use appropriate = DSCPs too.

But YouTube doesn't, and neither do any of the major Bit= Torrent implementations (despite us asking nicely), nor typical VoIP client= s, nor multiplayer games.=C2=A0 Those are the places I'd hope to see pr= ogress relatively early.

Several prominent game publishers use libtorrent in combinat= ion with a CDN of web-seeds, in which the web-seeds would benefit from havi= ng CS1 set and libtorrent tuned for a smaller number of connections - no di= ce so far, though libtorrent's developers seem to nominally agree.

- Jonathan Morton

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